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To: Snowshoe who wrote (55346)	9/22/2009 4:09:23 PM
From: Cogito Ergo Sum	1 Recommendation Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 218014

I dunno.. Mr. Obama talked about doing stuff in his speech but the Chinese are going ahead with the giant solar farm.. Deeds speak.. the rest is all double talk and lies (OK spin) Looks like the Chinese are showing the money here no ? Early days though yes.. but I would have been laughed at just two years ago... all the Chinese know how to do is burn coal :O) And just to be clear this is not some master Chinese plan to save the world.. just their plan to save themselves :O) The west had the advantage of the leg up while they polluted the hell out of everything .. China won't be doing it for as long I imagine.. Although the west would like them to adopt rigorous standards for some other reasons also :O)

To: Snowshoe who wrote (55346)	9/22/2009 4:26:33 PM
From: Sam	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 218014

I don't think it is just greewashing, although it may be partly that. The Chinese are in a difficult position. They can't stand pat, they can't go back, they must go "forward" into the 21st century, but they require cheap energy for that. They have horribly polluted cities and rivers, water shortages in the north and west, and creeping desertification coming from Mongolia, which may (along with their water issues) in the end be a far more insidiously destructive force than the Mongolian invaders were centuries ago. They can temporarily (i.e., for maybe 50-100 years or so) address their water problems by tapping into the melting Tibetan Plateau glaciers, but not only would that be temporary, it will stir up a hornets' nest of opposition from India and other parts of SE Asia, all of which depend on the same water sources. The Chinese and Indian "miracles" can last a few more decades, but if the GW problem with its melting glaciers and droughts isn't resolved, the lights will go out in most of Asia, and they will have enormous refugee, starvation and disease issues for decades until death reduces the population exponentially. And the governments know this.

To: Snowshoe who wrote (55346)	9/23/2009 12:26:45 AM
From: Maurice Winn	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 218014

Snowy, China will also be building a LOT of nuclear reactors. That will reduce CO2 emissions per GDP. As you point out, so will a lot of other things. They can easily scrub the muck out of the exhaust to prevent soot, mercury and what have you flying out the chimney. Mostly such particulate pollution is their own problem so they have a lot of incentive to clean it up. CO2 is a global gas, so if it is a problem and is costly to remove, then it's in the polluting country's interests to ignore it if they can get away with it. Mqurice