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To: Lane3 who wrote (10556)	10/19/2009 6:31:42 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 42652

Some of the measurements where not of what he is pushing for but what he is likely to get? For example - "Regarding cap-and-trade, the best he can get through Congress is" He had earlier proposed massive reductions. Maybe a "real radical" wouldn't settle so easily if thwarted but still what someone can get passed isn't a good measurement. His level of spending increases are pretty radical, but by that measurement Bush was pretty radical too (although neither was as radical as FDR)

To: Lane3 who wrote (10556)	10/19/2009 8:19:13 PM
From: i-node	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 42652

>>> A radical, seems to me, would be pushing for radical things. There are some things he can do without "pushing", like the absolutely insane, radical things he's done WRT CIA, foreign policy (pretty much the president's prerogative), forking over substantial pieces of two out of three American car manufacturers to their unions (through a corruption of the Chapter 11 process which will have long term deleterious consequences for the credit markets), etc. That said, to suggest his legislative priorities aren't radical is strange. The man "pushed through" an $800 BILLION pork-filled "stimulus" bill. I cannot imagine someone suggesting that isn't "radical". The so-called "Cap and Trade" legislation, apparently next on the agenda, is one of the more radical pieces of legislation I've seen in my lifetime. I realize this isn't the proper forum for it, but I cannot imagine a more radical agenda than that put forth by the Obama administration over the last 9 months.