To: Haim R. Branisteanu who wrote (58215 ) 11/23/2009 5:09:39 PM From: Maurice Winn 3 Recommendations Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 217798 That map is just a broad-brush rough approximation to the broad trends of migration and is useless for what we are discussing. Read this and you'll get a better understanding, but it only goes back to hunt down a few founding maternal lines. familytreedna.com My point is that those 4 founding females of about half of Ashkenazis didn't just arrive out of thin air [and don't forget the other half]. They scored the jackpot from the genes produced in north west India [a few little pockets in there, not just any old place, but I forget the exact locations but it's on a haplotype map somewhere in cyberspace] That article takes you back going on 2000 years, but DNA didn't start then - go back some more. The success of whole countries depends on a relatively small proportion of the population. You can read Smart Fraction Theory for more details, by Griffe du Lion. Google has the information. Now that most Ashkenazis are in the USA, it's hardly surprising that the USA has enjoyed huge success, and following the depredations of the Nazis on the Ashkenazis, it's hardly surprising that there was a downer for those areas badly affected. The USA also has had the good sense to import hordes of smart people from China, India and all over the place, boosting their Smart Fraction, enabling the hopeless wastrel hordes to enjoy a phenomenal lifestyle way beyond that which their competitive abilities would provide them. Just as Mao and his supporters were able to drag down the whole of China for decades, the bulk of people in the USA can vote to drag down the USA by supporting wastrel kleptocratic regulatory suffocatocracy. TJ thinks that China is going to take over the planet, but there's a lot more to success than working for low pay and having autocratic bosses who repress everyone, not just criminals. He needs to read Smart Fraction Theory to understand Why Asians Lag. Mqurice