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To: quehubo who wrote (125791)	11/29/2009 9:53:47 AM
From: Dale Baker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542147

I asked you what the tough alpha male foreign policy accomplished in terms of transformation in several axis of evil and rogue countries. You listed nothing. We agree on that. I can only deduce from your reference to Iraq that tangible results are achieved only by invading other countries, which is both financial insanity and not physically possible most of the time. So apart from neocon huffing and puffing and bluster, the net tangible results of your alpha male approach are zilch. I leave the floor open for you to list tangible achievements if you find some.

To: quehubo who wrote (125791)	11/29/2009 11:57:23 AM
From: Win Smith	Respond to of 542147

The Iranians saw their neighbors gain a democracy in Iraq. Other oppressed people have also seen this transformation. Wow. The old democracy domino theory, not much seen since pre-"Mission Accomplished" days. It's as if the 3 1/2 years of Iraq going to hell in a handbasket post-"Mission Accomplished" never happened. Which, if you follow "objective" sources like Fox News and the thread that shall not be named, was pretty much the "truth" for all those 3 1/2 years. Now, Cheney and his rump faction are perpetually accusing Obama of "dithering" because he's actually thinking about why escalating from 10k to 60k forces in Afghanistan hasn't quite done the trick. As if the 7 years of Afghanistan being second fiddle to W's excellent adventure in Iraq had nothing to do with the mess there.