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To: carranza2 who wrote (58458)11/30/2009 8:00:48 AM
From: TobagoJack  Read Replies (5) | Respond to of 217668
 
thank you for reminding me of the white book, for i must re-read while on trip to borneo next week, to check out some mine

i have read the book at least 9 times since gifted in 2003

i recommend "lords of finance" if you have not already acquire that treasure.



To: carranza2 who wrote (58458)11/30/2009 10:25:09 AM
From: pogohere  Respond to of 217668
 
Once again, there's a reference to Andrew Dickson White's Fiat Money Inflation in France, 1876. Let's take note that the reviews of this work are not all positive. The issue is whether what is known as "fiat" currency is all cut from, so to speak, the same cloth: there's fiat issued by governments and there is fiat issued by private banks, such as the wholly, privately owned US Federal Reserve, working, even as it does, hand in glove, with the heads of US agencies and the executive branch. What follows is an excerpt from Stephen Zarlenga's "The Lost Science of Money" (American Monetary Institute Charitable Trust, 2002: www.monetary.org) p. 448, with reference to the experience with the Assignat currency issued by the French Revolutionary government—the one held up to such ridicule by your author, Mr. White:

"Within the year (1877), Stephen Dillaye (Assignats and Mandats, A True History, Including an Examination of Dr. Andrew Dickson White's "Paper Money In France," (Philadelphia: Henry Carey Baird & Co., 1877, p.8) had demolished White's effort to the point of embarrassment:

'The effort of his pamphlet is to overthrow our paper currency; to destroy confidence in our stability as a government; to question our honor as a nation, and our honesty as a people, by producing the history of French paper money, and showing by its failure and worthlessness, an example and illustration to convince us that because the French revolution failed in establishing a paper currency worthy of confidence, we must fail; that as they repudiated the obligations they created, the Government of the United States must repudiate the obligations it has created or may hereafter create. Mr. White's argument amounts to this or it amounts to nothing.'

Dillaye provided details on how English counterfeiting was a major factor in the Assignat's decline, as it had been against our own Continental Currency. We will quote him at length, since the reader will have great difficulty finding information on this elsewhere.

'It is true that adventurers in Belgium and priestly knaves in Switzerland commenced the business of forging the Assignats as early as October 1792 . . . It was found that Belgium was too open and too much in sympathy with revolutionary dogmas; and that Switzerland was too confined in its resources and communications for the . . .vast designs of the nobility and clergy. It is true that the business was kept up and increased there, but the great establishments for the systematized fraud found more scope and greater opportunities for uninterrupted work in London. . . England lent its aid, while its cabinet became the concealed agent for the propagation of the felony and the circulation of the nefarious outrage.'

Continuing: 'Seventeen manufacturing establishments were in full operation in London, with a force of four hundred men devoted to the production of false and forged Assignats. The success and extent of the labor may be judged by the quantity and value they represented. In the month of May 1795, it was found that there was in circulation from 12 billion to 15 billion francs of forged Assignats . . . The Assignats in circulation at this time . . . issued by the Revolutionary government were 7.86 billion francs, and not, as Mr. White has stated 45 billion francs . . . The value of the lands dedicated . . . as the basis for their redemption . . . was 15 billion francs . . .(pp.32-33)

As part of his proof, Dillaye cites legal proceedings in England where court disputes between those involved in counterfeiting brought the matter into the public record.

White's essay pretended that certain natural laws operated against government paper currency. Dillaye pointed out that:

'The Natural laws of finance, as Mr. White understands them, would have . . . strangled our [American] revolution in 1775, and kept us slaves to . . . kingly impudence,' and 'not a dollar has ever been lost by the paper credits of the United States since the adoption of the Constitution; but the losses, the ruin, the bankruptcies and the fatal failures which have resulted from banks making gold the basis are written in the history of every crisis for over three quarters of a century, and aggregate very many times the amount of the national debt . . . but who will attempt to estimate the amount of human misery and woe which this system of fraudulent specie basis has entailed in the American people?'

While White's essay continued to be reprinted by conservatives, into the 20th century (F.E.E. in 1959, and the Cato Institute in the 1980s), Dillaye's more accurate and more honest rebuttal has been ignored.

. . . Indeed, through the present day, The U.S. government has maintained a superior record of monetary activity, both in an absolute sense and in relation to the private issue of money, with only one primary failing—that is that the issuance of money has been allowed to remain in private hands for most of our history."

Dillaye's book has been republished and can be obtained here:

abebooks.com

and here:

amazon.com