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To: Wharf Rat who wrote (126288)	12/4/2009 11:31:31 AM
From: Bread Upon The Water	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 542782

I'm less concerned about him being consistent than him being on the "right side of history" in this decision. What do the majority of ethnic Pashtuns seek in the long run here and how do our goals and their's mesh--if at all? It may be they just want to be tribal Islamic Pashtuns who don't want help from either Kabul or the Taliban. If we can get answers to that, and maybe the answers from the Pashtuns themselves are diverse, we may have a better road map on this.

To: Wharf Rat who wrote (126288)	12/4/2009 11:33:15 AM
From: cosmicforce	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 542782

<Stop Pretending That Obama Hasn't Been Consistent on Afghanistan> Reminds me of "Foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds". The Russians spent 9 years supporting and and defined "win" as having their Marxist flavor of a better Afghanistan. Eventually they negotiated a cease fire with various leaders so they could just exit. According to Wiki, between December 25, 1979 and February 15, 1989, a total of 620,000 soldiers served with the forces in Afghanistan over the 9 year window. In your article Obama was quoted as saying "This is a war that we have to win." Win what? What does a win in Afghanistan look like?