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Politics : President Barack Obama -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (66156)	12/4/2009 4:41:31 PM
From: Mac Con Ulaidh	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 149317

Reed is in charge of the Senate, it is his job... and if we are doing something for the population of Afghanistan it will take boots on the ground given the right mission. If we are not doing something for them in that way we have no right to be in their country on any level. no cia. no black ops. nothing. it is not our right. we helped create the situation there with the fear and insecurity of the people, we can help fix that or get out. not say... oh, but we want to use your land to go after who we want, but fak you in the process. there is no ethical argument to make in that, only self-interest. seasonal hiring does not kick in this early.

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (66156)	12/4/2009 4:47:16 PM
From: Mac Con Ulaidh	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 149317

I do have to ask you to explain how you think we have any right to have drones bombing in a country that is not ours? that we have no right to do it in... or do we have whatever right we want wherever we want? the latter is the old American way... wait, not the old, but a period of our way. It is wrong. that is part of what gets me in some 'pacifists' arguments against the war... they still want the drones and the cia and all that. like we have some right to do that. they are just looking to do things on the cheap. and I think you have misread Afghanistan, not Obama. And I say that respecting very much your views on things. you want out? tell the Chinese to take Quetta and build their military port and encircle India. Tell the Afghanis that we are oh so sorry we disrupted their country but now we are bored and thought better and are gone, oh but we will still use your land to bomb who and when we feel like it. we are not the police there. and we helped ruin their land. a just response is to make reparations. and frankly it might end up with us having Quetta and not the Chinese.

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (66156)	12/4/2009 4:57:23 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 149317

THE DISCONNECT.... The economy is still struggling. Encouraging developments of late -- positive growth, an improved job market -- point to a fragile recovery, with fits and starts of its own. It's pointless to celebrate when the unemployment rate is 10%. That said, the signs of slow, gradual improvements are obvious and hard to spin away. After enduring a devastating recession that began two full years ago, the light at the end of the tunnel is getting bigger. This, obviously, will have significant political implications. NBC News' Mark Murray had this report earlier: During President Obama's first 10-plus months in office, most of the economic news hasn't been positive. The unemployment rate is in double digits for the first time since the early 1980s. Critics have argued that the $787 billion stimulus hasn't worked the way some hoped it would. And Republicans, not surprisingly, have pounced on these shortcomings. But as the economic news begins to get better -- positive growth in the 3rd quarter, the CBO estimating that between 600,000 and 1.6 million jobs in the 3rd quarter were created or saved by the stimulus, and today's best monthly jobs report in nearly two years -- Democrats are now pointing to what they see as the GOP's disconnect on the economy. "There is a real disconnect," said Doug Thornell, a top Democratic congressional spokesman. "At what point are they going to acknowledge the positive steps taken that have pulled us away from the brink?" Well, probably never. But given the developments, it's not too soon for the rest of us to acknowledge the Republicans' track record of uninterrupted failure. The GOP said the stimulus package would fail to create jobs. We now know the Republicans were wrong. The GOP said the recovery efforts would fail to generate economic growth. We now know the Republicans were wrong. The GOP said the stimulus "failed." We now know the Republicans were wrong. The GOP said the government should cancel unspent recovery funds. We now know the Republicans were wrong. The GOP said tax cuts are more effective at stimulating the economy than government spending. We now know the Republicans were wrong. Every step of the way, facing an economic catastrophe, Republicans claimed to know the best way forward. And every step of the way, they were pointed in the wrong direction. The strength of the recovery remains to be seen, but the only reason we're even able to talk about the possibility of a recovery is that Republicans had no control over the levers of power when decisions were made at the height of the crisis. America has been through a lot this decade, but the country can take some solace in the fact that when the economy was on the brink of wholesale collapse, Republicans were in the minority. And let's not forget that the track record of uninterrupted failure goes back quite a while. The GOP said Bush/Cheney economic policies would work wonders for the country, create millions of jobs, prevent a recession, and keep the budget balanced. The GOP also said Clinton/Gore economic policies would be a disaster. I realize there are plenty of well-intentioned people who sincerely believe Republicans are credible on economic matters. I just don't know why. washingtonmonthly.com

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (66156)	12/4/2009 4:57:46 PM
From: Mac Con Ulaidh	Respond to of 149317

America did it right after WWII. Look at what we had a hand in creating... two of the best and richest countries in the world... Japan and Germany, who just decades ago had been bent on world domination. What did America do after the Civil War? they occupied the south with troops who hated white southeners for the war and didn't much like blacks, either. it was rape and pillage and brutality time. and then there were the carpet baggers. lotta northern folks got rich off that. and then they left... blacks were left with Jim Crow and lynchings. white unionists had been murdered and their farms burned enough that they learned to keep their mouths shut to stay alive. and it took until the 1960's... one hundred years later... for things to start to change. what history do we care to repeat? what did even most the fine yankees think of the 'negroes'? bunch of tribal people who needed to be treated like children. remind you much of how so many talk of Afghanis? and what did they think of southern white who had a small plot of land? that they were next to worthless, just like the English thought of scots and irish... no better than dogs. we can do something here, Chinu, and it is a responsibility we took on. I think we do it or cede any respectibility Obama has restored to us... it will simply say Americans are people who will bomb your country to hell then say 'ooops, gotta go'.