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To: denizen48 who wrote (126376)	12/4/2009 10:36:02 PM
From: freelyhovering	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 543440

not all prayer and meditation are the same thing. Some meditation/prayer approaches focus on an object or diety, while others are more passive, e.g. watching the breath. Results are sometimes the same, but the Dali Lama Monks and Nuns achieve the most profound brain changes and results from their daily practice for years. I think the 13th Century Christian mystics were in the same zone, but few Christians/Jews/Muslims achieve the clearing of conflicts in the mind that these practitioners do.

To: denizen48 who wrote (126376)	12/5/2009 4:29:38 AM
From: Cogito	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 543440

>>Prayer & meditation are the same thing, brother. We're just little human beings.<< HB - They're not the same to me. When I pray, I am speaking. When I meditate, I'm listening. - Allen

To: denizen48 who wrote (126376)	12/5/2009 9:37:52 AM
From: Travis_Bickle	Read Replies (5) \| Respond to of 543440

When you pray you are praying "for" something, even if it is praying for serenity to accept the things you cannot change; i.e. it is an expression of your dissatisfaction with the universe as it is. Prayer is a form of complaint. This is totally inconsistent with meditation ... you are not meditating "for" something; to the extent you are, then you are doomed to failure and very unclear on the concept. Also, prayer tends to be engaged in by morons.