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To: SARMAN who wrote (271968)	12/12/2009 1:35:36 PM
From: Hawkmoon	1 Recommendation Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

I am confused, I thought you said that the Talibans were not Afghans. And now you are saying that they are The Taliban, as a group, are a Pakistani intelligence supported creation, originally formed from Afghani refugees. They formed in Pakistan and then moved into Afghanistan. All you had to do was look at Wikipedia for that history. en.wikipedia.org You also might want to review the Wiki on Deobandi Islamic theology, which the Taliban based their movement. en.wikipedia.org But it's really irrelevant because most of the Taliban are from the Pashtun tribes, which exist in both Afghanistan and Pakistan. And there is a degree of Pashtun separatism, if not a desire to dominate both countries. But as an example, if a bunch of American religious fanatics were hanging out in Mexico or Canada, and those respective governments supported them for the purpose of overthrowing the US government, would that be a "domestic" insurgency, or foreign inspired? As I mentioned before and McChrystal agrees We fight so we do not lose, they fight to win. The other thing that boggles the mind is from where are the Taliban being supplied with money and weapons. Bingo!.. Now you're starting to track the reasons why it's so important to pressure Pakistan. We can't have a situation like Vietnam, where the insurgents can find sanctuary across a border. And if Pakistan can't control their frontiers, someone else will have to do so. As for weapons, it's not much of a stretch there. The Punjabis were MAKING AK-47 in their houses back in the 80's. That whole region is one huge arms manufacturing bizarre. But the money is the other issue, and only the Pakistanis can truly interdict that. There's going to be cross-border raiding/counter-raiding going on for years, IMO. And Afghanistan will have to stand up for itself as a nation at some point to counter these activities. But more importantly, the tribal leaders who live in these ungoverned provinces have no desire to see government forces moving in to control their territories. So they need to police their own turf. But they are overwhelmed and intimidated by Taliban forces and scared to move against them. Isn't that called interference with Iran's internal affairs? Geez, we were so pissed off at Iran for interfering in Iraq and Lebanon internal affairs. And what is Iran doing around the world? Lebanon, Yemen, Gaza.. etc. But let's just say it can be done in such a manner that Iran's ruling regime probably won't say much except to declare the opposition to be pawns of the "great satan". DO NOT FORGET that the UNSC has issued a Chapter VII BINDING RESOLUTION with regard to Iran's nuclear program. That means that "all necessary means" (including military force) are permissible in bringing Iran into compliance. cdi.org It also means that an overthrow of the current regime is permissible. And guess what.. Israel can act under the mandate of that UNSC resolution as well and be completely legitimate in its actions. In fact, any member of the UN can act to enforce that resolution. Hawk