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Politics : The Environmentalist Thread -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Land Shark who wrote (27205)	12/18/2009 10:33:04 AM
From: longnshort	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 36917

NEW SCANDAL "First it was the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia playing fast and loose with scientific data, manipulating it to produce desired results while discarding much of the raw data. Now, according to a report in Britains Telegraph newspaper, the Hadley Center for Climate Change, part of the governments British Meteorological Office, did some data-cooking as well, leaving out temperature records for about 40 percent of the Russian landmass in calculating recent temperature trends," John Steele Gordon writes at CommentaryMagazine.com. "Since Russia constitutes 12.5 percent of the worlds landmass, much of that a byword for brutal winters, that is no small omission. And the data from weather stations that were omitted do not show substantial global warming in recent decades," Mr. Gordon said. "Climategate is beginning to seem more and more like its namesake, Watergate. Those around in those days remember how, day after day after day, new revelations came out and ever more desperate attempts to minimize their significance or to explain them away were made. ... "The constant water drip of revelations and Nixons attempts to explain them and prevent further ones from leaking slowly but surely destroyed the Nixon presidency. The chronology of Watergate as it evolved over a year and a half is a fascinating window into the greatest scandal in American history as it slowly reached critical mass. "Climategate bids fair to be equally interesting, and it seems that we are getting nearer and nearer to that critical mass. I suspect that Al Gore, flying around in his private jet telling everyone else to walk, is not too happy right now."

To: Land Shark who wrote (27205)	12/18/2009 10:36:33 AM
From: average joe	1 Recommendation Respond to of 36917

Climategate a fraud and came as no surprise to some people Recently released e-mails reveal that a group of influential climate scientists manipulated data, stifled objective reviews of their work and flat out lied about man made global warming. It’s called Climategate and the Obama media’s silence on it is deafening. This was no surprise to many of us who have watched this religion of global warming close factories, and raise the cost of heating homes and driving cars. These scientists claim that consensus trumps fact. Real science works when a theory is tested and verified against real results, something these fellows have never produced. I wish consensus science really worked. We could solve our energy problems tomorrow. Just have a consensus that water boils at 50 degrees and there will be plenty of energy. Never mind that lakes would boil away if that were true. That’s logical and like manmade global warming, we won’t let reason get in the way of faith. Many say that science that is contrary to the global warming religion is deceptive because it comes from people that have gotten funding from oil companies. Look, if I had to convince you that water boils at 212 degrees all I have to do is to demonstrate that, not call you a name and say that you got a check from Exxon. And as far as funding, who is more suspect? Is it a scientist that receives a small grant from Shell Oil, among many others grants from many other types of companies? Or a ‘scientist’ whose entire living, first class seats for vacations, BMW’s complete with Obama stickers, and huge McMansion, comes from institutions whose only mission is to prove that manmade global warming is true? Billions of your dollars have gone to the Church of Climate Science. A two year old freedom of information request against NASA demanding they release their so called temperature data has yet to be complied with. Rocket scientists are proving one thing: It takes two years to really cook the books. Hey, Congress, instead of stealing money from Medicare and the elderly investigate and stop this massive fraud on the taxpayers. James Parsons times-news.com

To: Land Shark who wrote (27205)	12/18/2009 12:36:37 PM
From: longnshort	Respond to of 36917

investors.com Losers Of World Unite — In Denmark Posted 12/17/2009 07:46 ET Venezuela's Hugo Chavez brought delegates to their feet in Copenhagen when he said capitalism is the "road to hell." Copenhagen Conference: The United Nations summit was promoted as a serious effort to mitigate climate change. But it's turned into an attack on capitalism. So what does the U.S. do? It pledges money. Any international meeting that invites Venezuela's Hugo Chavez, Iran's Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Zimbabwe's Robert Mugabe to speak has no legitimacy. But that's not the worst of it. When these fellows spoke in Copenhagen, their asinine remarks were cheered and applauded by attendees who seemed to think they were in the presence of great men. Surely the world now gets what the global warming alarmists are about. Doesn't it? For reasons that remain a mystery to us, Chavez was celebrated as if he were a popularly elected president who has led his country toward greater freedom and prosperity instead of a socialist who rigged his election to be president for life, crushed civil liberties and wrecked his nation's economy. Nevertheless, "President Chavez brought the house down," according to newspaper the Australian, when he addressed the U.N. Climate Change Conference on Wednesday. "When he said there was a 'silent and terrible ghost in the room' and that ghost was called capitalism, the applause was deafening." Socialism, Chavez told the fawning audience, is "the way to save the planet" while "the destructive model of capitalism is the eradication of life." And: "Capitalism is the road to hell. ... Let's fight against capitalism and make it obey us." For that nugget of nonsense, Chavez received a standing ovation. Proceeding Chavez to the rostrum was Evo Morales, a pal of Chavez, Ahmadinejad and Fidel Castro and the first fully "indigenous" head of state in Bolivia. Morales set the table for Chavez, declaring the real cause of climate change to be "the capitalist system." "If we want to save the earth," he said, "then we must end that economic model." This man, a socialist who also fixed his election and consolidated his power, proposed an "international climate court of justice to prosecute countries for climate 'crimes.'" Mugabe, who has beaten, tortured and killed his opponents and has been sanctioned for human-rights abuses, held forth on the anti-capitalist theme. He scolded the "capitalist gods of carbon" who "burp and belch their dangerous emissions," leaving "the lesser mortals of the developing sphere" to "gasp and sink and eventually die." The gasping, sinking and dying who Mugabe is most familiar with are within his own country. Tens of thousands have been killed by the poverty, cholera, famine and outright murder brought on by his socialist policies that ruined a once-thriving economy. On Thursday, the day before the conference wrap-up, Ahmadinejad, another unsavory character, kept alive the narrative that the developed nations should pay for "improving the welfare of people and reducing pollution." And pay we apparently will. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton announced Thursday the U.S. will contribute to an annual $100 billion-a-year climate protection fund. The money will ostensibly cover costs in developing countries associated with global warming. But who's she kidding? As with almost all foreign aid, the money will instead be stolen by Third World kleptocrats and never used for its intended purpose. As economist Gary Becker has said, "Foreign aid programs other than of a humanitarian nature are destined to fail because they involve transfers of resources from one government to another." Mugabe, for example, has been accused of misusing hundreds of millions in aid from the U.S. and Britain. The speakers' rants, the attendees' raves and the pledges of greenmail payments from guilt-ridden leaders of developed nations are almost comical. It's particularly dispiriting to know that there are those among us who think that living under capitalism — the only system that has improved human existence — is a burden; that handing money to dictators will improve the lives of those they oppress and that the United Nations has only the planet's interest in mind when it pushes for international global-warming agreements. Their lack of understanding is far more of a threat than man's carbon emissions.