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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (272245)	12/28/2009 1:47:06 PM
From: Sdgla	2 Recommendations Respond to of 281500

Hawk, no need to look far... Just publish a cartoon or a book with the wrong image or message and your death warrant will appear promptly.

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (272245)	12/28/2009 1:52:51 PM
From: Lou Weed	2 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

<<So make sure your choices for the Islamic "casus belli" are more than just the lame re-tread excuses about Israel>> Just because YOU are tired of hearing it doesn't mean its not a big part of the problem. You're tired of hearing it because it conflicts with your ideology and anything that conflicts with that, you summarily dismiss. How you can think that our support of Israel has no part in this is quite amazing. Our foreign policy, which in turn is guided by our dependance on oil is the sole reason for our targeting. What a shame all of that oil is buried under Arab lands. If that wasn't the case you and I wouldn't give two hoots about that part of the world.....kind of like how we deal with dictators that don't sit on top of or strategically near it. We do NOTHING.....its all about the $$$$$$. Follow the $$$$$$$$.... Its not because of our "way of life" or our "freedoms". It's not because the Koran says to kill all the infidels. It's not because of our longing for democracy to be bestowed upon these poor folks. These are the BS bogeymen that are fed to the moronic masses in the big red rectangular states (Dierks etc.) to justify the policies. Follow the $$$$$$$.... I still wonder why someone as fervent about militant islam as yourself focuses so little on the source of the majority of it.....Saudi Arabia.

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (272245)	12/28/2009 2:05:50 PM
From: Broken_Clock	3 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Ok.. I'm open to hearing the "root cause" that entices their militant leadership to advocate the sacrifice of children as martyrs. === I assume you are referring to the US again...you know, the country with the "lofty" vision of taking dim bulb 18 year old kids and teaching them to kill people they've never met. The root cause is greed. "I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents."[26] ----Smedley Butler, twice awarded the Medal of Honor

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (272245)	12/28/2009 3:32:01 PM
From: SARMAN	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

So make sure your choices for the Islamic "casus belli" are more than just the lame re-tread excuses about Israel. Jeezes, are you naive? The only reason that Jews think they have a homeland is because of our support. We support them to keep the Arabs in-check. As long as Israel exists we control the Arabs. We control the Arabs, we control their oil. Do you think Israel will last 5 minutes without our support? You must be on drugs or something. I bet you dollars to donuts, the Europeans will play a big roll in uprooting Israel when Israel loses our support. Now, let's analyze how many people we pissed off. Better yet, what was our reaction after 9/11? We just wanted a revenge, and GWB delivered, thus made him popular. Imagine what Israel been doing to the Palestinians for decades. To top it up, we built bases in SA, invaded Afghanistan, invaded Iraq, allowed Israel to flatten Lebanon and kill more Palestinians in Gaza. That is called humiliation and humiliation is the fuel/tool for extremists recruitment. Also, we gave those extremists weapons and money to fight the Russians, we persuaded Muslim countries to sent their prisoners to fight with the mujahideen. Our President dedicated a space shuttle journey to the mujahideen. Once the Russians were defeated, they turned on us. Why are we surprised, we have nothing in common. The Islamists failed in Egypt, Algeria and almost in every Muslim country, why, because no one wants to live under them. You might say Hamas and Hizbo and as I discussed before, their success was due to the government failure and corruption. Why are we so afraid of Iran getting nukes? They can't and will never reach us. And if they had the capabilities to deliver, we can shoot it down before it leaves Iranian air space. The reason is, Israel becomes useless to us. Our stick to control the Arabs would be Iran. Now, here is the tricky part, we are not friends with the Iranians, it is the Russians and the Chinese that are cozy to Iran. We will lose all our influence in the region. Who said the cold war was over. Bottom line, it our greed that is causing us all the problems. The sooner that we become energy self-reliant, the better off we will be. Alas, we still love our SUVs and our monster homes.