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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Solon who wrote (82329)	2/8/2010 3:50:37 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

”Again, you continue to bewilder me. I don't know what page you are on; I don't know what book you are in. How you can attach a moral quality to "ethereal" is beyond me. I've looked up synonyms from a dozen sources and find nothing remotely resembling "virtuous". Mystery by nature suggests conceptual conflict. The item of mystery either does not comport with the order of things as you see them, or it represents gaps or lacks in your understanding of existence. To the risk averse this presents a problem they are not likely to pursue. Unraveling a mystery is likely to present information that is in conflict with what is accepted as known fact. Information revealed while engaging a mystery might be difficult or impossible to incorporate into the accepted order and explanation of existence. Disorientation can be debilitating for some people. To the adventurer, however, mystery represents more than the potential of discovery, it is opportunity to go beyond and become more…more, not less … better not worse…personally better and potentially better for the world. By the nature of what mystery entails, outcomes are not predictable. So the adventurer must engage mystery with the hope of betterment. In that sense, specific goals are meaningless but a vision of becoming something better is purposeful in and of itself. So by the very nature of engagement in mystery, I am defining it as a virtuous endeavor.

To: Solon who wrote (82329)	2/9/2010 1:26:17 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

"How you can attach a moral quality to "ethereal" is beyond me. I've looked up synonyms from a dozen sources and find nothing remotely resembling "virtuous". Of course we could address virtuous men or virtuous deeds, the ethics of one group or another but in practicality we no little about our fellows and their deeds. We know nothing of hidden agendas and motives, so our judgment of such matters could be completely flawed, at least I feel confident in saying it would fall short of 100% over the course of a life time. So what can we say of virtue. We can’t say it serves the substantial interests of individual human beings to conduct themselves in a virtuous manner. We can value virtue but we can’t say virtue is synonymous with value. Values can include many things exclusive of virtue. In fact, some people would label the man attempting to live a virtuous life as naïve and devalue his efforts in the face of strategic interests. Individuals, cultures and subcultures are distinguishable by differences in values and preferences. Virtue, however, is recognized as identical across culture, among and between individuals, through out time and circumstance regardless of the level of development for one society or another. Virtue is lying out there, in the ether, for us to draw upon at any time, place, or circumstance. In the ideal forms no one disputes charity, kindness, justice, hope, and honor to name a few … virtues we may know without holding, seeing them, or proving them.