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To: Road Walker who wrote (14251)	3/9/2010 8:37:19 PM
From: TimF	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 42652

The reconciliation bill is being written as we write. You can write what you want, but the reconciliation can't actually be passed until the Senate bill is passed by the House. Once that's done the reconciliation bill may not pass, but if it doesn't you just get the Senate bill (as long as Obama will sign it, and he almost definitely will), you don't move back to square one. March 18th is like all the other deadlines that started last summer... a fantasy. That's true. Its often true, but on this issue it seems to be even more so than usual. as soon as one side or the other starts talking conspiracy I wouldn't say that its a conspiracy. And aside - Well technically it might be, two or more people agreeing on some secret or even just unannounced plan can be called a conspiracy. But if it is a conspiracy in that technical sense its not in the sense of carrying all the connotations that normally come with the word, of being some serious malevolent secret plot. Semantic arguments are most often indirectly about the connotations. The definition is argued, but the reasons one side wants to settle on a word, and the other opposes doing so, is usually the connotations for that word. If you substituted the definition for the world (assuming the definition wasn't loaded with connotations that someone wants to avoid as well), you often wouldn't have the argument, but you usually would have clumsy phrasing. Anyway getting back to the point - I wouldn't say that's its a conspiracy, but I would say that the incentive for many senators to fight hard for the reconciliation fixes after the house passes the senate bill might not exactly be very strong. The possibility that the house will pass the senate bill and not have the desired changes passed with reconciliation or by any other method is far from negligible. There is no real way to bind them to passing it. The members of the House realize that, which is why passing the senate bill is far from a slam dunk.

To: Road Walker who wrote (14251)	3/9/2010 10:18:18 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	4 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 42652

To Rush EVERYTHING the Dem party does is conspiracy, nothing is substantive. You aren't listening then. Rush believes that the attempt to extend government control over industry after industry is very substantive. The reconciliation bill is being written as we write. March 18th is like all the other deadlines that started last summer... a fantasy. You are just buying the Rep talking points/scare tactics A fantasy? That's an odd way to put it, considering that it is Obama's fantasy...like the others, lol. He set that deadline, not Republicans. It doesn't matter when the reconciliation bill is written. According the Senate parliamentarian, the Senate cannot pass reconciliation until AFTER the bill it modifies has been passed, which means the House must pass on the Senate bill on a promise that the Senate will pass reconciliation later. As Bart Stupak said today, "later" never arrives.