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To: Dale Baker who wrote (134331)	3/23/2010 3:11:18 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 542149

I wouldn't be at all surprised to see that movement fracture and a formal Conservative Party take shape for those who want to advocate more purist libertarian ideas. I've been reading some chatter on the blogs about various forces in the tea party and about whether or not it will go libertarian. Here's on from a libertarian I was able to locate. (He's using his terms differently from yours.) I've been avoiding even the most remote contact with the doings of the tea partiers. It's too hard on my need to maintain the fiction of the nobility of the human species. The notion of a classical-liberal party arising from the hoi polloi struck me as funny, ironic, even. I thought that the notion might amuse you. Will the Tea Party be Conservative or Libertarian? from Jeffrey Miron by Jeffrey Miron For decades, faith and family have been at the center of the conservative movement. But as the Tea Party infuses conservatism with new energy, its leaders deliberately avoid discussion of issues like gay marriage or abortion. The Party’s focus on economic issues makes sense right now, but eventually it will feel pressure to take a stand on social issues, as well as on foreign policy. When that happens, which way will the Tea Partiers tilt? Consider this statement from one major group, the Tea Patriots: The Contract from America serves as a clarion call for those who recognize the importance of free market principles, limited government, and individual liberty. To me, these principles suggest libertarianism, not conservatism. Federal bans on abortion or gay marriage are hard to reconcile with limited government or individual liberty. The invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan are awkward for reasonable notions of fiscal responsibility. Drug prohibition is impossible to reconcile with any of the three stated principles. So will the Tea Party lean libertarian? My fear is that it will not, because as elections near, the conservative wing of the Republican Party will seem like a better opportunity for the Tea Party to be “relevant.” I hope I am wrong.

To: Dale Baker who wrote (134331)	3/23/2010 8:57:54 PM
From: TimF	Respond to of 542149

civil rights were probably the most important thing the Dems ever did. The Dems and the Republicans (who provided fewer total votes for most of the legislation, but a higher percentage of the members of congress in the Republican party voted for the bills) The opposition included racists, those who pandered to racists, constitutional purists, and libertarians. Unfortunately in some minds of some supporters of the bills, the constitutional purists, and to a lesser extent the libertarians, get lumped in with the racists, because they opposed some of the same bills. formal Conservative Party take shape for those who want to advocate more purist libertarian ideas. The more purist libertarian ideas would be in the existing Libertarian party, or so new libertarian party. A Conservative party, might be pretty libertarian (without being purist to any great degree about its libertarianism, at least when it isn't associated with conservative ideas), or it might be a conservative populist party. Either way it would likely have less support than the existing Republican party if the existing party staid around, and perhaps even if it didn't. we really do need to let insurance companies jerk you around and screw you over So instead we will have government jerk us around and screw us over.