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To: tejek who wrote (567438)	5/21/2010 3:18:00 PM
From: longnshort	Respond to of 1577837

"But its a copout......states' right became an issue because the South didn't want to give up slavery and the feds were trying to stop it." oh Bull Lincoln didn't give a shit about slavery and the feds didn't want to end it. The north because of more members in congress had been a busing the southern states for decades. The south, even though smaller in numbers pay something like 75% of the federal budget. The northern congressmen didn't want the new territories to have slaves because they thought those future states would then side with the south and the north would lost clout in the congress. Lincoln wanted the blacks to be shipped back to africa

To: tejek who wrote (567438)	5/21/2010 3:29:06 PM
From: Brumar89	5 Recommendations Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1577837

the feds were trying to stop it. If you knew more history, you'd know that wasn't the case. The Republican party did favor emancipation and was founded with emancipation as a party plank, but the Lincoln administration didn't try to force abolition on the south before the civil war. In fact, the pro-slavery forces were if anything too successful in defending slavery in the courts and in the Congress in the decade or so before the war ..... Dred Scott and the Fugitive Slave Act threatened to de facto spread slavery into the north. If a slave owner could bring his slave to the north and keep him a slave that effectively made all the states slave states. Lincoln was right - there were two legal systems, one based on slavery and one based on freedom and it was getting increasingly hard to maintain the union half one thing and half the other. Eventually the war resolved it. Wars solve conflicts if they're fought to the end. It would be nice to think the South was failing economically because of slavery but it wasn't. Slave prices had been rising for decades. Slavery worked economically. The problem with it was the inhumanity. And now we face the same problem with illegals. A false economy has developed in the SW, the West coast and TX....and now its spreading to other states. We have to stop it before it fukks up the country. It's really hypocritical for someone who is opposed to controlling illegal immigration, as Arizona is trying to do, to say that. The Democrats are becoming more and more openly pro-illegal immigration as a party. Obama officials are even saying they won't enforce the immigration laws in Arizona.