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To: Jim McMannis who wrote (261844)	7/18/2010 12:07:23 PM
From: Roads End	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 306849

Every other aspect of government allows double dipping. Too bad this rule can't be applied across the board.

To: Jim McMannis who wrote (261844)	7/18/2010 12:15:11 PM
From: Think4Yourself	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 306849

re: It is not fair," Nguyen said. Welcome to the real world Nguyen.

To: Jim McMannis who wrote (261844)	7/18/2010 3:35:21 PM
From: joseffy	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 306849

97% of Scientists Do Not Believe in the Theory of Catastrophic Man-Made Global Warming Sunday, July 18, 2010 By Roger F. Gay mensnewsdaily.com As I mentioned in Al Gore Appears–Note to Warmers: No More Do-Overs!: If at first they don’t succeed then they will deny and lie again! And that goes for the second time, the third, the fourth …. You get it – as never-ending as Florida recounts; it goes on and on until responsible people step in and put a stop to it. From the ardent Internet believer in global warming “theory” who can’t provide any real scientific evidence, to the East Anglia researchers who insist that Climategate is merely a misunderstanding, to IPCC defenders who claim their reports are only in error by a few insignificant typos, to Al Gore still battling the imminent destruction of planet Earth by the evil “global warming pollutants,” there can never be too many chances to ignore defeat and start all over again – from the beginning. OK … now … certainly if you’ve tried to follow the warmers arguments at all, you remember the claim of a “scientific consensus.” It was showcased in Al Gore’s film, An Inconvenient Truth. Supposedly, all credible scientists were absolutely certain that the things he said in his movie were true; just as surely as gravity exists and the earth is round. It’s part of the basic propaganda formula. Claiming that everyone who’s anyone believes … is sometimes called the bandwagon technique. In this case, the “everyone” refers to scientists, and that adds an an appeal to authority, another propaganda ploy. (related article on these techniques and others) Al Gore was very direct. “This isn’t me claiming these things,” he insisted. (I’m not going to watch the movie again to make sure I have this word for word, but it’s accurate.) “These are scientists.” And he went on to quote figures from a published article on how many articles had been published that referred to global warming. Then Al Gore’s claims were reviewed. Lists of factual errors and speculations in his film were created, some longer than others. A British judge found misinformation and made it the law of the land to reveal and discuss them when showing the film to school children. It turned out that the paper on which the consensus claim was based misrepresented what scientists had said in their papers, and why they had even bothered to mention global warming. (Follow the money. The federal government was writing grant offerings in a wide variety of fields requiring its mention.) And even if the paper had been accurate, it had little very little to do with Al Gore’s specific claims. Over 30,000 scientists signed a petition urging the United States to reject the Kyoto agreement, stating: There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing, or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth’s climate. Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth. Additional petitions, such as the Manhattan Declaration on Climate Change included scientists and researchers in climate and related fields, economists, policymakers, and business leaders who had reviewed the evidence and affirmed that climate change is natural and normal and that carbon dioxide is not a “pollutant,” among other things. Various surveys were conducted among scientists and practitioners in earth and atmospheric sciences showing much weaker support than warming propagandists had claimed. And then came Climategate, exposing the fraudulent science that had some scientists and so many non-scientists believing that something more had been going on than actually was. Belief in catastrophic man-made global warming dropped like a rock in all quarters. Did I say global warming propagandists always want to start over again no matter how many times they lose the debate? Yes I did, and here we go. Before quickly commenting on the cause, take a look at the effect. USA Today titles a June 22 article Report: 97 percent of scientists say man-made climate change is real. Excerpts: The study found that 97 percent of scientific experts agree that climate change is “very likely” caused mainly by human activity. The report is based on questions posed to 1,372 scientists. Nearly all the experts agreed that it is “very likely that anthropogenic greenhouse gases have been responsible for most of the unequivocal warming of the Earth’s average global temperature in the second half of the twentieth century.” ….. As for the 3 percent of scientists who remain unconvinced, the study found their average expertise is far below that of their colleagues, as measured by publication and citation rates. The study, published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences provided a hit-list of scientists whom the authors claim should not be believed on the subject of global warming. Holy politically motivated blacklist!!!! This is exactly the complaint made by credible scientists about the bias in scientific publications on climate; one of the elements of the scam highlighted by Climategate emails. Warming propagandists make systematic efforts to shut other scientists out to keep their fraudulent work from being exposed. The authors hand picked the 1,372 scientists in their review, a small portion of the 10s of thousands of scientists who have weighed in on the subject, and made up their own criteria for determining agreement with the IPCC and for determining who’s credible and who’s not. If the public pays much attention to this paper – I personally guarantee you’ll be hearing more about the bias, misrepresentations, and misleading illogic that this paper has to offer. Meanwhile, the IPCC is in critical condition. Warmers are trying to save it, and start up the eternal do-overs to bring it some credibility in the eyes of the non-scientific public – or at least give cover to continuing political efforts on Cap-n-Trade and government takeovers through PR tricks like reorganization and instruction manuals for good conduct. Why isn’t there a law demanding that these people let the dead horse rest in peace