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To: Diamond Daze who wrote (1306)11/9/1997 8:23:00 PM
From: Bill Jackson  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 3744
 
Chris; Ahah !, the thin edge of a wedge. When rock weathers away some goes very fine and blows away, far away, or is carried as silt in water. Some stays as gravel and wind/water movements gradually grind it away to smaller etc. The metals resist this as they are malleable and roll around and get squashed and monged into shapes that can be flat flakes or granules. As they are very heavy they do not move as far or as fast as the rock particles, so they fill in the low spots preferentially and among larger granules settle to the bottom, in general, especially in water deposits(placer) Water borne stuff does more settling as there are fluidizing aspects with water that air does not have due to the high density of water compared to air. (1000 cubic feet of air weighs 60 pounds, 1000 cubic feet of water weighs 60,000 pounds and of rock weighs 150,000 pounds and of gold weighs 1,200,000 pounds) So as rock and gold fall in moving water the gold falls faster and the gold much slower as the density differential is less. If you had styrofoam beads mixed with the gold and dirt the beads would even float, so does the dirt to a lesser gedree by falling slower. In air they are both more than 1000 times as dense and so fall at nearly the same rate ,(there is some segregation, but not like water, as the small light earth grains do blow far away, and some actually dissolve with bacteria and acid from natural rains. So you might lose 90% of the rock over time and 5% of the gold, and they will all blow together and fill valleys. You would expect stratification unless they all came from the same rock.
Now gold and platinum do not occur in the ame rock from melt, as they dissolve in different materials. So the gold came from one place and the platinume from another and they all got mixed evenly???. That is one very strange thing to occur. It would not occur naturally over a long period, and so it must have occurred as a short term event, like the glacier melt lake breakthrough that cut the grand canyon. That even could pick up everything for a few hundred miles upstream and at fisr the flood was over a plateau and so went widely. It took time foe the glaciers to melt and to cut the canyon, at which tinmes the broad flow stopped. The initla flood was a broad sweeper of all dirt rocks etc before it. There are areas in the desert where you can see long scrapes on the rocks as house size rocks weighing thousand on tons were dragged along. This event could go through assorted areas and pick up all their stuff and drop it later as they slowed down all in a valley mixed gold PGMs etc.

But who knows?, there are specialists in this, have they looked at IPM to see what it is like.

Bill



To: Diamond Daze who wrote (1306)11/10/1997 12:09:00 AM
From: E. Charters  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 3744
 
Mr. Charters may I ask a simple geological question.
Did sand come from the breaking down of rock through
several processes??

# yes

If that is indeed the case then
all the rock in the areas of these desert dirt plays
would have had to contain .25 oz gold per tonne and
.25 oz Platinum per tonne correct??

# no. There may have been subaqueous concentriation of heavies..
or concentration of fine by waves or currents. If the Pt was
a disepersed mico porphyry then that would be preferred. If
the calcite or other subtance such as sulfide then dissolved or weathered then there could be further concentration. But this is
an unusual theory.

Now this occurance
had to be huge correct??

well if it were a super rich or concentrated micropophyry it could be huge.

This occurance could not have
happened in veins correct??

I doubt vein systems. It could be the tripical breakdown of granitic
silicates or sulfides or sulfide beds or comlex vein systems. But normally some heavy metals would have deposited with larger rocks in
any placer...so we are back to a chemical precipitate into a mudstone
in buried vents or a weathered deposit.

So how many areas in the world
exist today that are known to be that rich???

# even Pt and gold non that I know. If a Kambalda deposit chemically weathered and all the nickel left and left behind only silicate matter with dispersed Pt..maybe..but I dunno..

I have been involved in companys (stock holder) that tried to
prove much less grades, which vein deposits on surrounding
hills had filled up valleys. They could not keep a constant
grade in this particular instance, hot and cold not evenly
disseminated. How come this is not a problem in the desert dirt plays??? Thankyou

# well what they are saying is it is some kind of seafloor evaporite.
There are evaporite copper deposits etc etc..You would ahve to imagine
a vent system that created evaporites that left behind no sufides just
precious metals. It doesn't fit any fossil placers we know of, or preciptate vent deposits. If it were real it might be a buried vent system whose nickel and copper just got eroded and the Pt got left behind. I can't make a depostion system that fits any precursor deposit or paloe depsoit system. The big Pt deposits that have some gold are not even ratio. The platinum placers of mountain river systems of california that contain gold too came form gabbro hosts and have big grains. If you imagine some ancient mountain range and old acid rivers dissolving gold and Pt and depositing them in some weird sand bed or salt bed it might work. But I would say the stuff should still assay. Ultimately the Franklin lake system could only be a precipitating system from rivers carrying solutions. I have never run into this. Why these guys can assay it and nobody else is a mystery to me.

I have never seen a metal that would not assay according to fire, if it is done right. Some will not report to solution assay because of the presence of precipitators.

People have been claiming mystery deposits of precious metals in desert varnish since 1870. There wasa spate of special assayers in Phoenix in the 50's. Geologist I know went through about 20 of them on phony properties in that area fro Texas Gulf. In the end it comes down to who you trust.

Of all the labs I would trust Roots and Norton and perhaps Montan University in Austria.