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To: Gottfried who wrote (3362)11/10/1997 1:40:00 PM
From: Sam Citron  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 10921
 
GM,

Secular trend is very long term trend. It can be derived by smoothing the cyclical trend, i.e. by drawing trendline connecting peak-to-peak and trough-to-trough.

As veteran semi analyst, Tom Kurlak, recently said: "I tend to focus less on end markets and concentrate on trying to get the cycle right, because stocks will follow earnings trends. What we are trying to do is to get in and get out of the stocks at opportune times. We do it this way rather than make long-term fundamental cases about the applications of microcircuits, because I think those potentials are obvious to almost everyone...My whole purpose in being here is to predict the next [up or down cycle]...Cyclicality is getting more pronounced...because the industry is becoming more capital intensive. So manufacturing is less flexible. It is less able to adjust to subtle changes in demand...then you have greater swings in inventory cycles, both up and down...When the industry had downturns 15 years ago, there would be significant layoffs in Silicon Valley...Today when companies face downturns, there are no layoffs because there are no people [due to greater factory automation]. The investment is all in machines and you cannot lay off a machine. You cannot get rid of the expense. The depreciation keeps getting charged to the companies. And when the demand drops and the machines go idle, the expense is still there...So earnings are more volatile [now] and the cycles are more severe..."

When asked whether capital equipment makers business cycles are different from that of the chip industry, he responded:

"I don't think that's true at all. If you look at the last semiconductor downturn, capital equipment orders went down and the [equipment] companies went down too. The orders are going to follow the cash flow of their customers, and that will follow the [chip market] cycle."

SC



To: Gottfried who wrote (3362)11/10/1997 7:07:00 PM
From: Iceberg  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 10921
 
> please explain the meaning of secular

Gottfried,

I didn't have a clue what secular meant either, except as a term used to make a distinction from the sacred. So I went looking for definitions that might have something even remotely related to the stock market. Here's what I found...

- -"coming or observed once in an age or a century"

- -"existing or continuing through ages or centuries"

- -"of or relating to a long-enduring process"

- -"of or relating to a long-term indefinite duration"

- -"recurring at intervals greater than one year"

- -"long-term (10-50 years or more) as distinguished from seasonal or cyclical time frames"

The first five definitions came from Webster's unabridged dictionary and the last one came from Barron's Dictionary of Finance and Investment Terms. [Reference specifics available upon request.]

My opinion is that "secular" is an utterly stupid word to describe "long term". Why not just say long-term, specify how long, and be done with it? Some screwball somewhere apparently wanted to confuse the meaning of long-term by coming up with an off-the-wall word to describe what he/she was too lazy to otherwise describe!

Your question was a good one. Unfortunately, the meaning of "secular" seems to be another typical failure of the English language, and serves as an example of the needless ambiguous nature of the English language. You'd think people would have enough common sense to define a word with one and only one meaning - - not 5, 10, 15 or 20+ meanings.

BTW, I never got along with my English teachers when I was in school. They pissed me off, and I pissed them off. It was a constant battle. I lost.

Ice