To: Jacques Chitte who wrote (9603 ) 11/9/2010 4:40:43 PM From: Jacques Chitte Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 69300 >The real problem is that applying the axioms and laws of logic break down very quickly (especially when it comes to the concept of causality) when things get very small, are at extremely high temperatures/energy, are traveling at or near the speed of light, etc.< Oh no ... moral relativity? (giggle) I would argue that in the physics of the small, fast and hot, logic does not suffer. It merely steers us to be more careful and inventive in building our hypotheses. The original Newtonian physics becomes a limiting condition at the "cold, slow" end of the bigger picture. Reality is a strange place. Scientists (I am one; retired) need to restrict themselves to what can be defined and measured. From there - in four hundred years! - we built today's towering edifice of physics, chemistry, biology etc. Engineers start with science and convert its numbers and patterns into the technology that sustains and surrounds us ... in the case of medicine, even penetrates us. The 19th and 20th centuries have seen the emergence of "soft" science, half-disciplines that attempt to take science from its confinement and apply it to larger human questions, much to my distatse. "Political Science" is imo at best a silliness. At worst it brought us wars, breeding programs, purges of "intellectuals" and death camps. Moral Science is, at this stage of the human story, a non-starter. Spiritual Science, while sought by a frightening number of people, is also imo without merit ... but sadly not without consequence. Evolution ... I had things to say about that as well, but I will hold off until a later post. I should post this before my (argh! bad words) computer does it again. cheers js