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To: koan who wrote (9064)	12/15/2010 9:39:08 PM
From: Jacques Chitte	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 10087

Guh!? How are the oil companies taking away our freedoms? Can you point to a single illiberal law passed at the behest of the oil companies? and at the risk of acting childish, "which freedoms? Be specfic" ... I asked first!! cheers js

To: koan who wrote (9064)	12/17/2010 3:12:32 PM
From: TimF	Respond to of 10087

We don't have more freedom than ever before. A larger and larger portion of the nation's production/income is controlled through the political process rather than by government. The extent of federal, state, and local regulation keeps growing, with more mandates and prohibitions every year. Many things that are legally allowed come with so much paperwork, or legal risk, that people and organizations are discouraged from attempting many activities. Even freedom of expression is under attack for example with some of the campaign finance reform attempts. As for oil companies and Goldman Sachs, you don't show any way that they are taking our freedom away. To the extent they do so they can only do so with government. Government action is a far greater risk to your freedom than corporate action. Corporations can't legally imprison, fine, or execute you. They don't have police powers, they don't have armies, they don't have legislative or judicial authority. Even in areas where they do have a lot, employees, money, presence in general, the federal government is far bigger than any corporation. In 08 bush and congress gave the banks trillions of our money An action by government not by the banks. Its an anti-libertarian action, not a case that supports an argument for bigger government. To the extent your trying to make this a partisan thing its an activity that was continued and expanded by the Democrats.