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To: Jacques Chitte who wrote (11920)1/2/2011 5:12:46 PM
From: Solon  Respond to of 69300
 
It is one of the few heartening parts of the bible. As myth and parable it shows a people coming to terms with an idea that a Creator does not need the death of children to appease his anger, jealousy, or whatever. No one knows for sure when the Jewish sacrifice of children stopped. It seems that all pre-scientific primitive societies had the instinct that suffering and offering up ultimate value (treasured life) would mediate with the power of the storm and nature gods to be kindly disposed.

As primitive and barbaric as this tale is, it is a step up from what went on before and it shows primitive culture stumbling toward a more benevolent understanding of life. We are appalled that anyone would even dream of such a thing but in primitive thought it is a milestone. Of course, not all sacrifices in the bible were withheld. The most famous was the sacrifice of Jesus. Many pre-scientific peoples still thought the blood was the seat of the "soul".

The most prolific acts of human sacrifice must surely belong to the Aztecs who averaged 20,000 or so a year in order to keep their God from dying from loss of blood (yeah..really).

latinamericanstudies.org

"...The dismal drum of Huichilobos sounded again, accompanied by conches, horns, and trumpet-like instruments. It was a terrifying sound, and when we looked at the tall cue [temple-pyramid] from which it came we saw our comrades who had been captured in Cortés defeat being dragged up the steps to be sacrificed. When they had hauled them up to a small platform in front of the shrine where they kept their accursed idols we saw them put plumes on the heads of many of them; and then they made them dance with a sort of fan in front of Huichilobos. Then after they had danced the papas [Aztec priests] laid them down on their backs on some narrow stones of sacrifice and, cutting open their chests, drew out their palpitating hearts which they offered to the idols before them..."



To: Jacques Chitte who wrote (11920)1/3/2011 2:41:14 AM
From: Greg or e  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 69300
 
<<<Abraham did not sacrifice Isaac.>>> "True. He was stayed in the last moment, after demonstrating that he really was going to execute (!) the command."

Agreed. There is no analogy to the issue of a mother killing her unborn child so she can continue to party.

<<<"Jesus was not killed by his father.">>> "Again true ... technically. God stood by while Jesus suffered immensely."

Actually Christians universally acknowledge that Jesus is God the Son (The second person of the Trinity).

Also Jesus said:
"I am the good shepherd, and I know My own and My own know Me, even as the Father knows Me and I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep. For this reason the Father loves Me, because I lay down My life so that I may take it again.
No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own initiative I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again This commandment I received from My Father." (John 10: )

Jesus deliberately and willingly laid His life down as a sacrifice for sinners. Being a sinner myself I am moved like the Prostitute who broke the expensive vile of perfume to anoint Jesus feet. He who is forgiven much, loves much.

However, again: there is no analogy to the issue of abortion for the sake of convenience.