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To: The Reaper who wrote (303275)1/11/2011 12:50:04 PM
From: tejekRespond to of 306849
 
So then, you are denying that Mexican drug cartels are buying guns in the US. Is that what you are trying to tell me?

How in the world did you jump to that conclusion from anything that I've written or cited? Of course they're purchasing some guns in the U.S.. The percentage is way, way, way lower than you want everyone to believe however. But only telling part of the story is a tool that liberals use to promote their agenda time and time again.


LOL. All I said was that drug cartels are buying their guns in America. You seem to think that the percentage of the guns they get from here is somehow important when I am arguing the sane POV.......that the US shouldn't be supplying them any guns.

Dude, truth is you can wave your arms and jump around and make like you are saying something significant but what you say does not change the fact that America is the gun and murder capital of the first world and no NRA factcheck can negate that very important fact. We have created a violent culture that exports violence to other cultures. Unfortunately, Mexico is right on our doorstep and presents an immediate threat. You would think that would keep wingers from selling their guns to the cartels but you know how that goes.......wingers love making money at any cost to this country and its people. ;-)



To: The Reaper who wrote (303275)1/11/2011 2:07:15 PM
From: tejekRead Replies (2) | Respond to of 306849
 
Why Tucson Massacre Is Destined to Happen Again

by Brett Arends
Tuesday, January 11, 2011

Guns and joblessness can be a deadly combination

The only surprising thing about Saturday's massacre is that it doesn't happen more often.

America is a tinderbox. We have a growing army of young and middle-aged men who, like Jared Loughner, are only marginally attached to the economy or to society. Many are among the 14 million rushing to buy guns each year.

Throw in the exciting world of the Internet, where they can find validation online for whatever moods, desires or hatreds they may have, and the mixture is deadly.

How dangerous is the situation we're living in?

On Friday, the day before the shooting, the U.S. Labor Department happened to publish its monthly jobs report. Media coverage tends to focus on the percentage of active job seekers still looking for work. But the real story is the number of men dropping out of the system altogether.

The official unemployment figure, now 9.4%, is a fiction and should be ignored. The so-called underemployment rate, which casts a wider net and now stands at 16.7%, is a better measure of the disaster this economy is wreaking on society, but it is still incomplete.

If you really want to see what's going on, you have to delve into the statistical tables published by the government and do some analysis.

According to the Labor Department, there are 10.6 million young men in Loughner's age group, between 20 and 24. (That doesn't count those in the military, in prison or institutionalized.) Officially, 16.9% of them count as "unemployed." That's pretty bad. It's nearly twice the level it was before the financial crisis, and more than twice what it was 10 years ago.

The real picture revealed by the government's data is even worse. The number of men in this age group who lack a full-time job has skyrocketed by 40% in the past four years, and today stands at 6.4 million — nearly two-thirds of the total. Most of them simply aren't counted by the official unemployment numbers.

Some of those, of course, aren't counted because they are studying. That will include those doing a full-time degree program, and those taking just one course a semester. Loughner was a student at a community college until he was suspended four months ago. But many aren't doing anything.

The picture is similar for men aged 25 to 54. According to last Friday's report, 8.9% of them are officially "unemployed." The truth? According to Labor Department data, 25% lack a full-time job and more than 19% lack any job at all. Millions have simply dropped out of the system in the past few years. A decade ago, 89% of this group worked full time; today it's about 80%. These are men of prime working age.

Put it all together, and you have skyrocketing numbers of men with too much time on their hands and too little stake in the world around them. As the chart above shows, the number aged 20 to 54 who lack a full-time job has doubled in the past 10 years and risen by about a half, or 7 million, since the financial crisis hit. It has surged in recent months to more than 22 million.

Obviously, no one is suggesting a simple correlation between unemployment and violence. But unemployment hits many men hard, especially those who were already on the edge. Once upon a time, most men had full-time jobs. That probably helped a lot of them keep it together. But the loss of jobs — especially basic manufacturing jobs — in the past decade has created a very different environment.

Meanwhile, gun purchases are booming. Point-of-sale background checks with the FBI, which were initiated in 1998 as a result of the Brady Act, have doubled in 10 years. These are not a perfect indicator of gun purchases, but they are a widely used proxy. They have rocketed in the past couple of years, and now average about 1.2 million a month. There were 14.4 million checks last year alone — or one for every 14 adults aged 18 to 70. If we figure men are, say, twice as likely to buy a gun as women, that's about 10 million checks for about 100 million men. Just in one year.

The FBI says more than 100 million background checks have been made in the past decade, leading to more than 700,000 denials. In other words, fewer than 1% of those who apply are turned down.

If just 1% of all these underemployed men lose their bearings, that would be 220,000 of them. If 10% of those then try to buy a gun in any given year, and only 1% are turned down, then about 21,800 would succeed each year. That's an average of more than 400 per state. They're sitting at home, brooding, reading extremist websites and polishing their guns.

This will happen again. And again.

Brett Arends is a columnist for MarketWatch and The Wall Street Journal, based in Boston.

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