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To: Katelew who wrote (421235)	4/11/2011 2:28:29 PM
From: DMaA	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793860

I don't doubt the agencies know everything about him. What are they supposed to do with adverse information though? They sure as heck don't share it with the electorate.

To: Katelew who wrote (421235)	4/11/2011 2:37:38 PM
From: Alan Smithee	2 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793860

He wasn't mean about it, but later I felt pretty stupid for even bringing it up. Since then, I always wonder if the birthers think that this doesn't take place or that these agencies don't have the means to know everything there is to know about a person. Or maybe the birthers have addressed this? Keep in mind, agencies like NSA and CIA may well have their own agendas that do not necessarily coincide with what the unwashed masses believe to be important.

To: Katelew who wrote (421235)	4/11/2011 2:39:32 PM
From: longnshort	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793860

The memo that 'proves aliens landed at Roswell'... released online by the FBI By Daily Mail Reporter Last updated at 11:37 PM on 9th April 2011 A bizarre memo that appears to prove that aliens did land in New Mexico prior to 1950 has been published by the FBI. The bureau has made thousands of files available in a new online resource called The Vault. Among them is a memo to the director from Guy Hottel, the special agent in charge of the Washington field office in 1950. Proof of (alien) life? A copy of the 1950 memo that recounts the discovery of flying saucers and aliens in New Mexico In the memo, whose subject line is 'Flying Saucers', Agent Hottel reveals that an Air Force investigator had stated that 'three so-called flying saucers had been recovered in New Mexico'. The investigator gave the information to a special agent, he said. The FBI has censored both the agent and the investigator's identity. Agent Hottel went on to write: 'They were described as being circular in shape with raised centers, approximately 50 feet in diameter. 'Each one was occupied by three bodies of human shape but only 3 feet tall,' he stated. The bodies were 'dressed in a metallic cloth of a very fine texture. Each body was bandaged in a manner similar to the blackout suits used by speed flyers and test pilots.' He said that the informant, whose identity was censored in the memo, claimed the saucers had been found in New Mexico 'due to the fact that the Government has a very high-powered radar set-up in that area and it is believed the radar interferes with the controlling mechanism of the saucers'. He then stated that the special agent did not attempt to investigate further. The release of the secret memo is likely to fuel conspiracy theorists' claims of a government cover-up. The town of Roswell in New Mexico became infamous after reports that a flying saucer had crashed in the desert near a military base there on or around July 2, 1947. The bodies of aliens were said to have been recovered and autopsied by the U.S. military, but American authorities allegedly covered the incident up Military authorities issued a press release, which began: ‘The many rumours regarding the flying disc became a reality yesterday when the intelligence officer of the 509th Bomb Group of the Eighth Air Force, Roswell Army Air Field, was fortunate enough to gain possession of a disc.’ The headlines screamed: 'Flying Disc captured by Air Force.' Yet, just 24 hours later, the military changed their story and claimed the object they'd first thought was a 'flying disc' was a weather balloon that had crashed on a nearby ranch. Amazingly, the media and the public accepted the explanation without question. Roswell disappeared from the news until the late Seventies, when some of the military involved began to speak out. Another memo published in The Vault from 1947 claimed that an object 'purporting to be a flying disc' had been recovered near Roswell. The disc was 'hexagonal in shape' and 'suspended from a balloon by a cable', according to the memo, marked as 'Urgent', to the FBI director. The memo noted that the disc resembled a weather balloon - but claimed that a telephone conversation between the Air Force and the field office 'had not [word censored] borne out this belief'. The disc and balloon were being transported to Wright Field for further inspection, the memo noted. It added that the information was being flagged up because of 'national interest' in the episode, and noting that both NBC and the AP were set to break the story that day. dailymail.co.uk

To: Katelew who wrote (421235)	4/11/2011 2:43:54 PM
From: D. Long	9 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793860

These are the forms a candidate has to fill out to run for President. fec.gov You will note that not one document from the FEC asks for a release of information (other than personal finances) or requires a background check. There are regularly 200+ candidates for the Presidency each election cycle. In 1988, one guy was serving two concurrent life sentences for, amongst other things, hijacking planes. Who checked that guy to verify he was eligible to run for President? If the NSA and other agencies are investigating private citizens without a release or authorizing statutory authority, they are acting outside their lawful authority. Is your friend saying that our intelligence agencies have gone rogue? I don't think your neighbor is speaking from any kind of personal knowledge, or he would know well enough to keep his mouth shut.

To: Katelew who wrote (421235)	4/11/2011 2:45:09 PM
From: longnshort	1 Recommendation Respond to of 793860

So NSA knew he was born in kenya and didn't want mass rioting in the streets

To: Katelew who wrote (421235)	4/11/2011 3:28:25 PM
From: J.B.C.	8 Recommendations Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793860

Woa, even if its true (which it probably isn't), What do they do with any information? NSA has been around for almost 60 years, ever hear of any reports coming out on a candidate from the NSA? The reason it's probably not true: NSA's charter is with foreign communications, nothing at all gives them domestic jurisdiction. Does an agency or some person that worked there have a political agenda? You bet they do. Unless I see an official document with sourced entry, I'd take any information that your neighbor gave you at a pool party with a grain of salt. If I'm wrong, and a security agency has done a check, this guy can't say sh*t because its classified, I guarantee it. And he would know it and would have done something more like shrugged his shoulders and ignored your question even if he was privy to the document. So: 1 - any background information on Obama is classified, sop 2 - Few people have a "need to know", and its just on probability alone that an agent assigned to Italy is one that needs to know 3 - NSA's charter isn't domestic, so one, they wouldn't be the agency doing the check, 2- your friend an agent assigned to italy, doesn't know jack, I'm sorry to tell you. You were conned, probably because it made him feel important, and to fulfill his own political motive.

To: Katelew who wrote (421235)	4/11/2011 5:06:02 PM
From: MrLucky	5 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793860

After laughing and scoffing, he basically said he found it amazing that Americans don't accept that the various agencies have totally vetted any POTUS right down "to the flora in their intestinal tracts." Yep. What did your scoffing neighbor say about the CIA vetting and assurances to GWB and the Congress about WMDs being in Iraq. Or about the Asian scientist in the AEC who leaked atomic energy secrets to the PRC during Clinton and the stream of Soviet and Russian spies over this and past administrations tenure. CIA Casey and FBI Hoover vetted a bit also and guess who did not know the findings? Presidents, as well as the general public. There is a "need to know" policy in all agencies and in the military which is strictly enforced and why we hear of Wiki leaks and whistle blowers. Perhaps your neighbor would care to tell you to whom the various agencies shared their vetting of "any POTUS". Your neighbor must believe that these agencies never err. Fat chance!! I agree with others on the thread that there must be an uncomfortable fact in obama's background that he wishes to keep secret from the voting public, otherwise it simply makes no sense.