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To: Haim R. Branisteanu who wrote (73473)	4/22/2011 10:55:34 AM
From: maceng2	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 218863

Hi Haim, I have just been reading up a little on abiotic oil. The theory that oil is derived from geological processes rather then simple layers of decayed organic matter. Although there may be some substance in the theory, the fact remains that the formation of oil deposits remains slow while our consumption proceeds at a higher rate. Whatever the theory is true, including (my preference) a mixture of the two theories, the USA is past it's peak in oil production. This suggests another book I should maybe read. amazon.co.uk Regarding oil consumption per person, OK the USA is only using 68 barrels per 1000 persons per day, as opposed to the more flagrant nations like Gibraltar and the Virgin Islands (800+ barrels per 1000 persons per day). Overall numbers count. The USA as 300 million citizens, and that makes a big difference. Likewise if you look at the figure for China, 5.7 barrels per 1000 persons per day and bring that up to say... 20 per cent of the USA figure, I think most would see there is a lot of room for upward movement in consumption. nationmaster.com China is a big country with a big population. I see no logical reason (transport issues, food growing, industrialization) why its per capita oil consumption should be much different from the USA or other industrialized countries. Put those numbers into the oil equation and I think there is reason to see why energy supplies are a focus of attention. For those who think the human population does not effect the wider environment, and that we should not be concerned, I have no comment to make.

To: Haim R. Branisteanu who wrote (73473)	4/23/2011 3:57:34 PM
From: elmatador	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 218863

"biggest opponents of this project are no others than International Paper who steadfastly refuses to give me access to their waste and better dump it or just burn it in open air." Raise Greenpeace against them. But they are going to ask for money. You can offer them shares in the company. An start up give a share of its business to Greenpeace and Greenpeace goes about trashing any existing competing business. Message 27313868 Problem is: International paper and Kimberly-Clark are already in bed with Greenpeace. Tissue company wants stricter timber regulation Print Email Updated April 22, 2011 12:20:22 International paper and tissue company Kimberly-Clark is backing the calls for tougher rules to stop illegal imports into Australia. The Australian Government is currently considering new legislation that would force timber importers to prove their products are legal, and threatens jail time for serious breaches. But Kimberly-Clark says its not enough and the company has joined forces with Greenpeace to push for stricter rules.