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Pastimes : Metaphysics and Spiritual Practices -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Jane Hafker who wrote (115)11/15/1997 7:03:00 PM
From: Harmattan  Read Replies (4) | Respond to of 650
 
No doubt, logic has limits, but it is the first to support this observation, otherwise it would not be logical, precisely; however, the limits of logic depend on the nature of things and not upon a confessional edict. The empirical uniqueness of the ego---the fact of being the only one that is "itself"---this uniqueness cannot be explained concretely by logic, and yet logic is perfectly capable of expressing it in an abstract (metaphysical) manner without falling into the pitfalls of absurdity. To claim a monopoly on illogicality and to attribute a Luciferian fault to the elementary logic of the contradictor, all in the name of a so-called translogical (experience), but in fact objectively unverifiable, "pneumatology" --- this claim is obviously unacceptable, for it is merely an obscurantist monologue and at the same time a double edged sword by its very subjectivism; all dialogue becomes impossible, which moreover excuses the interlocutor from converting (which is your aim is it not), for man owes nothing to a message that claims to divest itself of the laws of human thought. On the other hand, the mere fact of subjective experience never offers a valid doctrinal argument; if experience is correct and congruent with first principles, it can always express itself in a satisfacory or at least sufficient manner.

Wheather ones lexical repertoire consists of 100 words or 1000 words, wheather two syllable words or four syllable words, wheather one utilizes literary device and draws from the body of literature available or chooses to limit themself to their personal experience, whatever ones presentation may be; not one iota of its structure necessarily reflects character defect nor necessarily exposes intent. It may as the case may be, but it also may not. I thought this thread was for grappling with metaphysical principles and their attendant practice, not for slyly furthering vested interests. Please do not consider me a pet project that you and the Lord are working on. And there is no need to discuss the "ghunk problem" with posters on the Ask God thread. Just confront me, cyber face to cyber face. You have a standpoint; that is good. Debate cannot occur without it. But if you have no intention of seriously listening to ideas opposed to your own then the future of this discussion is fruitless. I apologize in advance for this diatribe. I am frustrated that reality does not meet expectation with regards to the spiritual and intellectual level of dialogue. And Carol, the charge of intellectual posturing was uncalled for and unfounded. I am just a driller's helper that spends the majority of each year on top of remote mountains working on drills and who has a self taught love of language and its structure.

sincerely,
ghunk