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Gold/Mining/Energy : International Precious Metals (IPMCF) -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Graystone who wrote (26644)11/16/1997 5:00:00 AM
From: Bob Jagow  Respond to of 35569
 
Another great unbiased post, David. Steffy should at least pay for your laundry if he uses parts of it. (He probably won't credit you because of your current disgrace, but laundry *is* laundry.)

Hang in there and hope to return.



To: Graystone who wrote (26644)11/16/1997 9:37:00 AM
From: Bill Jackson  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 35569
 
Graywhiskers,

I look at this snippet from your post

Toronto, Ontario (June 24, 1997)
Weight Gold Platinum Palladium
lbs. gms oz./t gms oz./t gms oz./t
1 900 3.73 0.26 5.14 0.37 5.63 0.39
2 452 2.17 0.318 1.98 0.284 1.05 0.145
3 400 2.27 0.376 1.21 0.202 0.52 0.084

Now in my book 1 ounce is 31.105 grams, and if we take the first sample #1 for gold, 3.73 grams and 0.26 ounces??
3.73 grams is .12 ounces per ton. 5.14 is .165 opt.

If you go the other way the grams are higher. Which is correct??

Bill



To: Graystone who wrote (26644)11/16/1997 10:46:00 AM
From: Rod Currie  Respond to of 35569
 
'Preciate your efforts in gathering all the press releases together. Is worth saving for analysis purposes. Given the 'flow' presented your conclusions are not all that unreasonable [in my book]. Thanx

Rod [Hollywood Beach, Ca.]



To: Graystone who wrote (26644)11/17/1997 4:31:00 AM
From: Graystone  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 35569
 
The Test

I have made a point of using IPMCF material, this minimizes distortion in a muddy situation. My personal bias and disbelief is hard earned. Companies like IPMCF are too brazen for anyone's mere words, you have only to take a unbiased look at what they have said to you, the owners of the shop. It is hard for me to stand by and let some of the statements go unchallenged and even in a desperate situation the company continues to play "keep it slither stupid". The effrontery shown in the latest mush shows what they expect you, the residents of cyberspace, to accept. I do not have to point out to the more astute of you how to read the "faq" recently posted.

The most important question is simple, are those Behre Dolbears gold and silver numbers or are they Batemans. We have two reports, two consultants, two different methods. I don't care if they both used the same sand and Bateman dug it up, I don't care if the lab sent them identical results, I asked a simple question, I received a slither answer.

Can you figure out the correct answers ?

A)The numbers are Behre Dolbears, who are now fired.
B)The numbers are a good way to make money
C)The numbers dont matter
D)Yadda Yadda Yadda

The next question obviously deals with an important topic, the grades. You the owners of IPMCF asked. Are these the same grades you told us all about at the AGM.

A).80 and point .04 and .25 and .00 are all economic
B)I never passed any grades. Let me find the report.
C)Great, Great you say ?
D)Yadda Yadda Yadda ( A simple yes would have sufficed here)

A major compononent of IPMCF is the Platinum value. The Delay leading up to the big release was to allow an expanded program to assess all platinum values and report fully. IPMCF required additional time. When asked directly about platinum numbers, as one you owners obviously did ; congratulations, IPMCF reponded in a straightforward and open fork.

A)Numbers what numbers, not relevant, all objective.
B)Weather is nice in the Caymans today
C)Whats wrong with this picture
D)addaY

Clarification of Behre Dolbears role is crucial to the shareholder. The lab reported identical numbers to both, but where did the numbers originate, are those Batemans "nominated recovery process" numbers or Behre Dolbears "modified fire assay". A shareholder asks, what about Behre Dolbear.

A)Nobody was in.
B)Appropriate staff couldn't be found.
C)Who.
D)Say Lycopodium three times very quickly

Recovery is the only issue at this point. Any sane human receiving a line of guff like this from one of their employees would fire him instantly. It is like trying to pin legs on a snake.

A shareholder asks how long he can expect to wait to hear some recovery methods and results, re : pilot plant, finished, process working.

A)We have a ton of shit you ain't never heard of yet.
B)Behre Dolbear is in charge of recovery.
C)We are selecting the colors for the new office carpet right now.
D)I like the red like at Bre-X, No No, that loop we saw at DELGF was much nicer, gave a much nicer impression to visitors during the AGM. We should have another party soon, get me a carton of smokes and some beer, and get lots of those little red lobster tails, I like those. Did Buddy get his new equipment yet, good, did you put a rush on the thing like he asked. Should we get a raise for doing such a good job, hey, there's Sam, hows it going you old fox, need a job ?

Is the company happy with all this, of course, everything is right on course. They are not even disappointed in the results. I think they must be missing a report a two to not be distressed. The grades reported at the AGM and this don't jive at all. You ask them about the money missing from the till.

A)We are not disappointed.
B)Let me check in my new desk here, I think I read something.
C)It's close enough for the mining division.
D)The variability of the mineral resource caused by the natural forces of nature made me do it. Where is that report, oh well, it is not too important. The important thing to remember is objectivity and substantiation. That's what we got here, we couldn't make any plans without substantiation you know. We need to know that there is "something" there, it has never been proven before, ever, we prove it every time you turn around, it is really a pleasure to substantiate our proof of the presence of proof for the substantiation for all the wonderful plans we have. See you at the next AGM. The proof is in the substantiation of the presence. We can plan for a rock solid future with many more wonderful untried proofs to substantiate the size of the resource we are about to sense the presence of. Do you know what it means, WE ARE GOING TO BE RICH. Lets go lunch, we will count the money in the till later.

There really isn't much to say about the results you have previously seen. The non degradation statements, the outrageous exaggeration, straightforward claims to make your head spin, all strictly in a conformist non promotional manner. It is pretty obvious that obvious that they have been hiding something. What is up the fire assay we have giving good numbers, the technical breakthrough you ask ?

A)Didn't we post that, let me check.
B)Ron was well aware of that, he wasn't surprised at all.
C)We won a 25,000,00 lawsuit didn't we tell yah?
D)Which carpet do you like better boss ?

So, please assure us that the institutional investors are US and not just the money. That should be fairly simple.

A)We can't get financing from Canadians.
B)Institutional implies US, we will subject that to heap leach and see
C)There is natural and inherent variability in financing.
D)You don't look a gift horse in the mouth.

So, if you scored well on this test you know that things aren't really going well at your company.

If you think it is all OK, I hope that you are just being clever and you are going to get your money out before you convince your friends and relatives to get out. If you can read there faq and not be upset then you really are unsaveable, they might as well have called it a faq u for all the respect it showed to shareholders. I have already made my predictions for this stock on Monday so I can keep my mouth shut on that regard and I wouldn't mind being wrong at all.

I think the word "faq" appropiately describes the stuff posted by IPMCF



To: Graystone who wrote (26644)11/24/1997 4:46:00 AM
From: Graystone  Respond to of 35569
 
Interview in an Empty Room

Question
Batemans name is coming up a lot. What did they say, let me see, here it is <<Bateman Engineering Inc., an international engineering group with its U.S. headquarters in Denver, Colorado has confirmed, the presence of gold and platinum at Black Rock using the nominated recovery process in the independent verification program.>> <<But since the recovery method is considered by Bateman to be non-commercial, they believed the amounts were not relevant.>><<Bateman has indicated that this testing should not be used for the purpose of calculating a resource.>>, given that Bateman said it won't work, why are you optimistic ?
Answer

Question
The AGM numers keep coming up, at that time a lot was being said.
Who modified Behre Dolbears "derived assay" which was announced in June and shot down just a few days ago, after the BIG RELEASE, was it Bateman or Behre Dolbear ?
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Question
Some investors are concerned, what claim by the company clearly distinguishes WHO did what after the samples were taken ?
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Question
Can you tell us if the fire assay has been verified ?
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Question
Given that Bateman used a "nominated recovery process" that they said won't work, can you provide any evidence from the company that Bateman had anything at all to do with any kind of "fire assays" ?
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Question
IPMCF has been taking a beating on the share price. What advice would you give to a shareholder who is watching IPMCF go down ?
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Question
The stock continues to crash, likely because of the double speak and failure to produce a single meaningful statement regarding any kind of numbers. Is this company being completely forthright with investors ?
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Question
On what date did IPMCF tell everybody "the assay procedure announced in June did not withstand the rigors of third party review."?
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On what date did IPMCF know "the assay procedure announced in June did not withstand the rigors of third party review."?
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Question
What do you think of the company reporting so far ?
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Question
What is your response to the shareholders who read the T. Hoare "Speculative Buy" announcment that mistakenly used the mining term "recoverable" when of course Bateman said it is not.
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Question
If T Hoare didn't make a mistake, then could you please tell me, once the metal has been extracted and sold, how much more will the shareholder be required to pay to cover that cost ?
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Question
Because both Bateman and Behre Dolbear have said it is non economic, your investment is fast becoming worthless. Do you understand this ?
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Do you know I am telling you the truth.?
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To: Graystone who wrote (26644)11/28/1997 4:58:00 AM
From: Graystone  Respond to of 35569
 
Your Future
or
Graystone Live

Taken from the IPMCF Thread.

Post by RS exchange2000.com
To: Ron Struthers (28304 ) Monday, Nov 24 1997 9:40PM
From: Graystone
Good Evening Mr. Struthers
How are you.?
Bateman admitted that an unverified "nominated recovery process" confirmed the presence of metals. The press reported this, when will the nominated recovery process be verified.?

To: Graystone (28309 ) Monday, Nov 24 1997 10:14PM EST
From: Ron Struthers
Graystone, I am fine
IMO the nominated process will never be verified. Something different will have to be tried. Bateman has a number of processes in mind. We will just have to wait and see. IMO this is the risk and speculation of this stock. If they succeed the reward is huge, if not we are about where we are today
Ron

Post by RS exchange2000.com
To: Ron Struthers (28308 ) Monday, Nov 24 1997 9:43PM EST
From: Graystone
I agree Ron. Money is very important right now, what is the status of the damage claim with the Department that was submitted in April.?

To: Graystone (28311 ) Monday, Nov 24 1997 10:18PM EST
From: Ron Struthers
I am not sure on the status of the damage claim. IMO, we should be looking for financing elsewhere. A win here would be bonus but you can never be sure on anything with a legal battle other than the lawyer makes $$$

Post by RS exchange2000.com
To: Ron Struthers (28307 ) Monday, Nov 24 1997 9:45PM EST
From: Graystone
I see you mentioned friendship here Mr. Struthers, what is the status of Behre Dolbear in the ongoing project now ?

To: Alan Vennix (28317 ) Monday, Nov 24 1997 10:26PM EST
From: Ron Struthers
Alan, Graystone, we clearly need some news from IPM to clarify many things. Many say this thread is large and full of hype. I take a lot of comfort in seeing probably as many negative posts as glowing and hyped ones. Not the sign of a wildly over valued stock
Good night all
Ron

Post by RS exchange2000.com
To: Ron Struthers (28306 ) Monday, Nov 24 1997 9:46PM EST
From: Graystone
Has Bateman now admitted a resource calculation is possible ?

To: Ron Struthers (28322 ) Monday, Nov 24 1997 10:29PM EST
From: Graystone
As you can see. I am here this evening because I believe that this is a particularily bad time for IPMCF shareholders. Mr. Struthers, thank you for being so forward with us this evening. As you can see I have no disclaimer on anything I am saying tonight. I do agree that IPMCF is lucky to have you on thier side.

The conversation continued....



To: Graystone who wrote (26644)7/10/1998 1:15:00 PM
From: Graystone  Respond to of 35569
 
IPMCF History
or
What the little fish saw.

This is a linked post. I have used this post to provide a link to a post made a few weeks after the news release of the 14th of November.
I will provide another link here.

The Saga
#reply-2738765

All the contributors to this thread made the victory of the small investor complete. This is a good thing for the future and an immediate concern to those invested in IPMCF at the time. Many people lost a lot of money, this was the intention of IPMCF from the beginning, it could end no other way