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To: brian h who wrote (102386)	5/30/2011 6:59:30 PM
From: LarsA	1 Recommendation Respond to of 197347

brian: it's a long weekend so here's the rant... "Do you still want to live in good old days with a "GPRS/EDGE text only cellphone" with your true insight and knowledge?" That statement in it self must be at best uninformed? Exhibit 1: THE iPhone 1.0 was GSM/GPRS/EDGE only. Not text only. Your list and it's a good list, may try to describe me as a Luddite but: 1: Skipped the bricks for the most part, had an Ericsson analog flip phone (the size of todays small phones) that often stopped pedestrians in NYC whenever I used it in the early 90:ies. Hated the interface -bought my first Nokia stocks.. 2: Never used them 3: Switched to ISDN (in the USA) as soon as available - hated it. 4: Switched to MiniDisc in 1992 or so. 5: Switched to ReplayTV hard disk recorders (TiVo-like) when they came on to the market a decade ago or more - still have them (3) but since we don't watch cable TV anymore they're for sale. 6: Have so many computers but my favorite is a Mac Mini which is our entertainment center. Quiet and powerful. 7: Bought the first civilian GPS available as far as I can tell ca 1993: a Sony with only an alphanumeric display and a big circular antenna. No maps of course. 8: skipped that 9:"Ni-CaD/Ni-MH battery is still working". No, they die too soon and that's what made people buy new cellphones every year or so, in those days. At home, I've had FTTH, FIOS, since it first came around in the US maybe 10-15 years ago since I happened to live in that part of our country. I would never go back - sometimes you see a wonderful ranch/house for sale in e.g. Colorado or Idaho but if you can't get real broadband it's useless. Phones (voice and text) and data devices are approaching the famous fork in the road - the Telcos have to make up their minds - I'm not paying two bills per month. One for voice that is rarely used and one unlimited for data. Finally: "Can you qualify these GPRS/EDGE phones as the most innovative electronic devices of that time?" Yes, and maybe of all innovations in human history - someone deserves a Nobel price for it. The mobile phone is as important as any other innovation and it's used all over the world among rich and poor only a couple of decades after introduction.

To: brian h who wrote (102386)	5/30/2011 7:34:27 PM
From: Eric L	3 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 197347

Ubiquitous Terrestrial Mobile Wireless Voice and Data Services (GSM) ... Brian, << All of the above can be done in one with a today's "smartphone".>> You'll be hard pressed to find an analog network to talk on with "Motorola's big analog "brick" cellphone" or their's or RIM's BlackBerry text pagers introduced in 1999 which operated on DataTAC or ARDIS 1G networks, or find a smartphone that will play a VHS movie and a Palm PDA touch- screen with Microsoft Pocket PC OS instead of 16-bit or 32-bit Palm OS is a pretty rare bird. Did HTC, a long time close Microsoft partner, ever make one? << All of the above can be done in one with a today's "smartphone". Of course not Nokia's smartphone. It was not smart yet though it may well be the first one to come out a marketing term "smartphone". >> I guess I best throw away my relatively new N8, eh, or better yet, maybe you should figure out what today's Nokia smartphones do that others don't? [My primary day to day domestic phone is a 1xRTT/1xEV-D0 feature phone on Verizon Wireless] Ericsson introduced the term smartphone in 1997 applied to their GS88 concept phone, I believe Ericsson was also the 1st to use the marketing term "smartphone" (trademarked shortly before or just after by Microsoft) at least for a commercial 32-bit operating systems on a converged device They released the 1st Symbian 32-bit OS "smartphone" -- with touch input (but no capability to download and add applications) in 2000. The 2nd Symbian converged device was the 9210 released commercially in 2001 which like its 16-bit GEOS x86 predecessors could accept downloaded apps but was still la belled as a "Communicator" not a smartphone and did not support GPRS (neither did the R380 Smartphone introduced a year earlier) but the 9210 did support HSCSD which operated at close to the same data transmission speeds as GPRS and was highly secure because it typically was implemented behind a firewall on a VPN and had considerably lower latency than either 2.5G GPRS or 2.5G (ersatz 3G) 1xRTT. << Do you still want to live in good old days with a "GPRS/EDGE text only cellphone" >> What the heck is a GPRS/EDGE "text only" cell phone? Voice and text only GSM cell phones use SMS or ESMS circuit switched (CS) RABS for text or even MMS) and CS voice. 1xRTT the same now that CDMA finally has two-way SMS and ESMS as well as CS voice. Of course packet switched data on 1xRTT no matter how well optimized significantly underperforms well optimized EGPRS EDGE in most respects including effective data throughput and particularly if dual transfer mode (DTM) on EDGE which allows concurrent voice and data transmission is implemented. << So what is so good about Nokia or any GSM/GPRS/EDGE cell phones. >> GSM or GSM/GPRS or GSM/GPRS/EGPRS goes where any of us go worldwide on unlocked phones with rhe local operator's prepaid SIM and it goes where CDMA or WCDMA/HSPA/HSPA/HSPA+ does not go. Except for off-shore and rain forests and unpopulated areas of most big deserts it is relatively ubiquitous and it is still the dominant mobile wireless platform globally. It does a very credible job of handling data. Here in the States on AT&T Mobility it is exceptionally well implemented, and all Nokia Symbian^3 smartphones have exceptional voice quality and RF for CS voice and data as well as 2.5G EDGE or 3G packet data services on either AT&T Mobility or T-Mobile USA. No Apple or Android smartphone I've tried, and I've tried several) can match the combo quality of GSM or WCDMA CS voice (or Skype PS voice) and CS and PS RF (or WiLAN PS data ) and of course no others operate in HSPA access mode on either AT&T Mobility or T-Mobile USA as well as 900 MHz or 2.1 GHz WCDMA/HSPA networks overseas. Where CDMA2000 or 3GSM isn't implemented, and that's still a big chunk of the world's terrestrial geography, one doesn't need anything more than a GSM or GSM/GPRS/EDGE mobile device to communicate wirelessly and cost effectively on a plan to fit the users pocketbook. Cheers, - Eric -