To: TimF who wrote (614014 ) 6/2/2011 9:59:50 AM From: combjelly Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1583823 "1 - It can be. It is now, it was then, both in terms of trade, and in food aid." Nonsense, Tim. You keep neglecting the infrastructure problem. Which was also a topic of discussion at the time. All food aid did in many cases was to cause people to migrate to the major cities and ports. That strained the already inadequate infrastructure in those areas and was a source of disease and other problems that result from a situation like that. "2 - Ehrlich predicted famine well beyond local famines, spreading in to countries that where food exporters at the time" Yes, he did. While he didn't mention it to my knowledge, the only country that was really secure at the time was the US. I suppose his scenario assumed that the US would be equitable in distribution of its surplus instead of preferentially servicing the developed world. That was almost certainly too idealistic. The rest is just your typical, idle speculation to support you ideology. Given that you have yet to acknowledge that infrastructure was at least a factor, it is just more GIGO. Your DDT example is a great one. DDT was a serious environmental hazard at the time. DDT is not much of a problem if it is restricted to controlling disease vectors, like now. But it can be a serious problem if it is applied to general pest control, especially in agriculture. There have been many examples of countries, like Indonesia IIRC, who had to totally stop using DDT because widespread use had selected for insects that were resistant to it. So they lost it as a tool for disease vector control. And had nothing to do with it being "illegal" like Taro has tried to claim. Now if that was the problem, it would have been bad. But it is far from the only problem.