To: Hawkmoon who wrote (75101 ) 6/13/2011 1:28:41 AM From: average joe Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 219937 I don't think a truly secular state has ever existed. Even today we are bombarded with the whims of nature worshippers who think the world is going to end due to a coal mine or SUV and influence public policy. Al Gore is not a scientist and people are expected to accept on faith what he says. Politics is a dirty business. "A teacher has his teachers. Strauss was a student of the philosopher Martin Heidegger and of the legal scholar Carl Schmitt, both National Socialist (i.e. Nazi) Party members. Heidegger taught that, as Richard Rorty approvingly puts it, “the quest for truth and knowledge is no more, and no less, than the quest for intersubjective agreement.” It was Schmitt who invented the legal sophistries the Nazis used to entrench themselves following the Reichstag fire. Here are the main points of Strauss’s philosophy. Except for one quote of Strauss, as noted, all quotes are of Ms. Drury describing Strauss’s ideas. There are the rulers and the ruled; “those who are fit to rule are those who realize there is no morality and that there is only one natural right – the right of the superior to rule over the inferior.” This elite must perpetually deceive those they rule. Religion “is the glue that holds society together.” Any religion will do. “Secular society … is the worst possible thing,” because it leads to individualism. “You want a crowd that you can manipulate like putty.” “... a political order can be stable only if it is united by an external threat; and following Machiavelli, ... if no external threat exists, then one has to be manufactured.” “Because mankind is intrinsically wicked, he has to be governed ... Such governance can only be established, however, when men are united – and they can only be united against other people.” (Leo Strauss)"ariwatch.com