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Politics : The Environmentalist Thread -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Jorj X Mckie who wrote (34166)	6/29/2011 1:03:43 AM
From: koan	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 36917

That is dead wrong. The PHD atmospheric chemists are using satellite data and modeling it according to the most sophisticated chemistry, physics and math imaginable. These guys are working light years ahead of Joe blow. They know how old the universe is for crying out loud. They figured out the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle and entanglement. They live in a quantum universe. No one else does. Climitology is a matter of figuring out how various gases interact in the atmosphere and on earth. Virtually all PHD atmospheric chemists agree on what is happening. If almost all docs said you had cancer you would believe them! Same thing dude. <<My views on AGW are my own. I have seen enough evidence that the "climatologists" have acted in ways that are completely counter to the scientific process. I have seen real world empirical data that contradicts their models. I have seen evidence that the conditions that we are seeing today have been seen in the past. Anyone with any common sense knows that using 150 years as a sample is meaningless in geologic terms. And yet, that is what the climatologists are using. Again, anyone with any common sense knows that 1000 years is a meaningless sample...and again, that's what the climatologists use to prove that we are seeing "unprecedented" warming. As scientists, it is the job of the climatologists to make their case. It is their job to have their data available so other scientists can verify (or debunk) their results. Instead they do the opposite and hide their data. The climatologists have not done their job. And it is insane to try and restructure our society and economic system based on their chicken little cries.

To: Jorj X Mckie who wrote (34166)	6/29/2011 6:33:48 PM
From: LLCF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 36917

<Anyone with any common sense knows that using 150 years as a sample is meaningless in geologic terms.> Agreed, same with the Stockmarket with the dopey support for "stocks for the long run" models & rational used to get the entire nation into the market. <My views on AGW are my own. > Me too... I have no idea how much humans are affecting temperatures. I've always thought "Global Warming" was a side show sucking resources away from very real and numerous problems with pollution issues. <their chicken little cries.> Not following the issue globally I don't know who THOSE chicken littles are (well, other than Al Gore, BUT there ARE chicken littles running around THIS thread spewing even more ignorant stuff... to the nth degree. :) DAK