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Politics : President Barack Obama -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Road Walker who wrote (98673)	8/1/2011 6:07:11 PM
From: tejek	Respond to of 149317

don't know how you all think you could have done better. And I said before, you do nothing and the tax cuts expire. Period. Yes, all the tax cuts would have expired including the middle class tax cuts. That's what was on the table. So then.......you want taxes to go up on the middle class in the middle of the worst recession since WW II while taking billions of $$$ out of the economy? How is that remotely logical? Maybe it is from an ideological POV.....although it escapes me......but how is it logical from a practical POV? You put up a serarate bill on unemployment and if the Reps want to block it, let them go on record. Now, as I'm sure you've heard, they are --- Obamas tax cuts and be extension the Dems tax cuts. Listen the "balanced media" is a part of Obamas problem. I'm watching CNN right now and the Reps are saying we have to cut spending without raising taxes. Just once I would like to hear "so how much are you going to cut SS, Medicare and Medicade, and Military, because that's the only way to do that". Not just once, every time. Thats the truth. Say it. But Obama and the Dems should be saying it, everywhere all the time. Instead they ALL wimp out in front of the bullying meany Reps. The poor wimpy Dems.... It gets really old. There is not one iota of evidence that suggests Obama is afraid of the Rs. What Obama does is for the good of the country as he sees it. There is nothing weak or flaccid about who he is. You don't grow up half white and half black in a racist country, become successful and still be weak. It just doesn't compute. And you know it too.

To: Road Walker who wrote (98673)	8/1/2011 6:10:28 PM
From: tejek	Respond to of 149317

Another Take Josh Marshall \| August 1, 2011, 1:36PM From TPM Reader RW ... Let me get this straight. The President kept revenues on the table, did not touch the sunset provisions in the Bush tax cuts, ensured that military cuts keep the GOP honest, protected Medicare by adding in only provider cuts in the trigger, made the reduction apparently enough to stave off a debt downgrade, got the debt ceiling raised, wounded Boehner by demonstrating to the world that he is controlled by the Tea Party caucus, took out the requirement that a BBA be passed and sent to the states and got the extension through 2012? What exactly is wrong with this deal? The fact that there are cuts? If people don't like that, why in God's name didn't they turn out to vote and bring back our Congressional majority? Once these nut jobs were in there, it was inevitable that this crap was going to happen. Whether or not it is advisable to cut spending, what exactly was going to stop this from happening? My experience is that the primary factor in all negotiations are the facts on the ground. The complaints center on a ridiculous notion that if the President had only said "no" harder, that these guys would have caved in. This isn't negotiating over who gets the side of the bed near the A/C. This is a complex matter involving 3,000 members and staffers. Negotiations in these situations don't work like this. That's why I'm irked by the constant parade of people comparing the negotiations to movies and card games. These comparisons obscure more than they reveal. The GOP came out of this looking unreasonable--I've been getting E-mail messages from friends saying they are back with the Democrats because the Tea Party is "destroying this country." Nate Silver tweeted last week that local conservative talk radio in Kansas was filled with callers attacking the Tea Party! The Wall Street Journal ran two editorials which called the GOP delusional and "childish." The vaunted GOP message discipline broke down--I read stories all over the "inside baseball" papers here in DC where GOP House members went on the record after the Friday vote wondering out loud if the party had been damaged! I don't know if you noticed, but John Boehner spent last week negotiating with himself. No new proposals came out from the Dem side, but he produced two proposals, one of which he had to pull after he didn't have votes. A congressional Dem staffer told me his dad, an urban Catholic who voted for Nixon over Kennedy and has always voted Republican suddenly thinks the GOP is out to lunch and supports the President. Hey, we all hate the pain, but this is an ongoing process. They are going to try this again with a government shutdown. When that happens, I'm pretty sure that the country will be resoundingly against a repeat of these types of hijinks. On a better note, we know that Boehner has the votes if Mitt Romney "sticks his neck out" opposing the deal. talkingpointsmemo.com

To: Road Walker who wrote (98673)	8/1/2011 6:23:55 PM
From: Jim McMannis	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 149317

RE:"And I said before, you do nothing and the tax cuts expire. Period. You put up a serarate bill on unemployment and if the Reps want to block it, let them go on record. Now, as I'm sure you've heard, they are --- Obamas tax cuts and be extension the Dems tax cuts" You're right. He could/should have done that. No coj7ones I guess. ------------ The TEA party clearly dragged Obama to the center. But the TEA Party didn't get all they wanted and now Obama can say he helped make cuts. SO a win for both but not a total win. On the other hand he could have insisted on something like military and entitlement streamlining.