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To: epicure who wrote (167896)	8/6/2011 11:34:11 AM
From: longnshort	Respond to of 543847

"you shouldn't be making religious pronouncements for people-" Obama does, not christian pronouncements but Muslim ones. I guess Muslim pronouncements are ok

To: epicure who wrote (167896)	8/6/2011 11:42:48 AM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 543847

The state isn't praying ... the man who is governor is. Just like national leaders have done from Geo Washington down to Obama: "Almighty God: Our sons, pride of our nation, this day have set upon a mighty endeavor, a struggle to preserve our Republic, our religion, and our civilization, and to set free a suffering humanity. Lead them straight and true; give strength to their arms, stoutness to their hearts, steadfastness in their faith." FDR's public prayer delivered to the nation, June 6, 1944 "My prayer this morning is that we might see the face of God each and every day, as we go through the hustle and bustle of our lives, that we rise above the here and now and kneel before the eternal. Remember that 'those who wait on the Lord will renew their strength. They will soar on wings like eagles; they will run and not grow weary, they will walk and not be faint.'" Obama, Feb. 3, 2011 Public officials aren't required by our constitution to act like they're non-religious if they aren't. And they haven't throughout our history. In fact, our constitution explicitly protects the free exercise of religion. what is offensive is being forced to be somewhere, because by law you have to be there, and then being stuck in a prayer That doesn't apply to the prayer rally Perry is attending ... one has to go to Reliant stadium today to hear those prayers. It does seem that people are upset the prayers are even taking place even on a Saturday, even in a non-government place.

To: epicure who wrote (167896)	8/6/2011 11:46:02 AM
From: longnshort	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 543847

President Obama issues statement on Ramadan By Elizabeth Tenety A boy takes part in prayers at Strasbourg's new Grand Mosque, August 1, 2011. The mosque, which opened on Monday, held its first prayers to mark the start of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan. (VINCENT KESSLER - REUTERS) President Obama released a statement Monday marking Ramadan, the Muslim holy month. The president also noted that he will again host a traditional iftar, a breaking of the fast that occurs after sunset. “As Ramadan begins, Michelle and I would like to send our best wishes to Muslim communities in the United States and around the world. Ramadan is a festive time that is anticipated for months by Muslims everywhere. Families and communities share the happiness of gathering together for iftar and prayers. Bazaars light up the night in many cities from Rabat to Jakarta. And here in the United States, Muslim Americans share Ramadan traditions with their neighbors, fellow students, and co-workers. For so many Muslims around the world, Ramadan is also a time of deep reflection and sacrifice. As in other faiths, fasting is used to increase spirituality, discipline, and consciousness of God’s mercy. It is also a reminder of the importance of reaching out to those less fortunate. The heartbreaking accounts of lost lives and the images of families and children in Somalia and the Horn of Africa struggling to survive remind us of our common humanity and compel us to act. Now is the time for nations and peoples to come together to avert an even worse catastrophe by offering support and assistance to on-going relief efforts. Times like this remind us of the lesson of all great faiths, including Islam -- that we do unto others as we would have them do unto us. In that spirit, I wish Muslims around the world a blessed month, and I look forward to again hosting an iftar dinner here at the White House. Ramadan Kareem.” washingtonpost.com