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To: epicure who wrote (168068)8/6/2011 10:52:30 PM
From: Brumar89  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 544018
 
And I was (partially) agreeing with Cogito, who said: "And I'll point out that nobody is bristling about that FDR statement, though you seem to think they would."

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I agreed no one was bristling today about that FDR prayer, but I assumed that was only because FDR wasn't around to bristle at. Obviously, we were both wrong.

I know plenty of people who don't like the historical toxic mixture of church and state- that is after all why things have changed. Because people didn't like it. If people have loved it, they would have kept it.

If you're talking about school prayer, people didn't have a choice. The SC banned it. It's doubtful school prayer would have been outlawed otherwise. There were no referendums or laws passed banning it. I don't really know of any church-state issue that hasn't been driven by court rulings.

Do you feel that historical use justifies all kinds of intolerance, or just religious intolerance?

Why would I justify intolerance? I'm complaining about intolerance on the part of those who would ban public religious expression.

(Because using the government to further religion, or one particular religion, is certainly intolerant of those who do not share that view)

As is using government power to suppress religious expression.

And what, exactly, do you have about letting the governmental public sphere be neutral?

I have a problem with forced "neutrality" that is a defacto suppression of free exercise of religion. The constitution doesn't ban public expression of religious sentiments. Doing so would violate both free speech and the free exercise clause.

And what if, as the teabaggers and wingers fear, the 1% of Muslims in this country "capture" the nation and made everyone pray to Allah. Would public prayer still be fabulous?

If Muslims were to "capture" the nation, there would be no possibility of neutrality would there? But in a country where the majority of people are Christian, the government can ban school prayer and judges can apparently ban invocations at graduation ceremonies and religious language at a national cemetary. Our Christians seem to be doing a terrible job of persecuting people. I think Muslims would be better at that.