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To: spitsong who wrote (16491)	8/26/2011 6:51:20 AM
From: Bill	Respond to of 29239

Nice work, Spit. Thanks. Nothing to debate this time around. Verlander has been in a class of his own.

To: spitsong who wrote (16491)	8/26/2011 9:07:59 AM
From: stockman_scott	Respond to of 29239

Austin Jackson homers, Doug Fister shuts down Rays detnews.com

To: spitsong who wrote (16491)	8/26/2011 9:27:26 AM
From: stockman_scott	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 29239

Verlander for MVP? There's a case to be made http://aol.sportingnews.com/mlb/story/2011-08-24/verlander-for-mvp-theres-a-case-to-be-made

To: spitsong who wrote (16491)	8/27/2011 3:47:10 AM
From: spitsong	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 29239

How does Justin Verlander's AL Cy Young case stack up? Against Cy Young winners (and select runners-up) for the previous 6 years, that is: Year Winner W-L CG IP BB K ERA WHIP BAA WAR** ---- ---------------- ----- -- ----- -- --- ---- ---- ---- --- 2011 Justin Verlander* 19-5 4 209.2 45 212 2.28 0.88 .185 7.4 2010 Felix Hernandez 13-12 6 249.2 70 232 2.27 1.06 .212 6.2 2009 Zack Greinke 16-8 6 229.1 51 242 2.16 1.07 .230 9.0 2008 Cliff Lee 22-3 4 223.1 34 170 2.54 1.11 .253 7.3 2007 C.C. Sabathia 19-7 4 241.0 37 209 3.21 1.14 .259 6.8 2006 Johan Santana 19-6 1 233.2 47 245 2.77 1.00 7.0 2005 Bartolo Colon 21-8 2 222.2 43 157 3.48 1.16 4.4 Year Runner-Up W-L CG IP BB K ERA WHIP BAA WAR** ---- ---------------- ----- -- ----- -- --- ---- ---- ---- --- 2011 Jered Weaver* 15-6 4 195.1 44 166 2.03 0.97 .206 6.5 2009 Felix Hernandez 19-5 2 238.2 71 217 2.49 1.14 .227 5.8 2008 Roy Halladay 20-11 9 246.0 39 206 2.78 1.05 .237 6.5 2007 Josh Beckett 20-7 1 200.2 40 194 3.27 1.14 .245 4.7 2011 numbers (or awards!) are not final for the season, of course. *WAR numbers are from baseball-reference.com 2010 Message 26855996 2009 siliconinvestor.com 2008 siliconinvestor.com 2007 siliconinvestor.com Verlander's numbers this year (excepting innings pitched) are already comparable to the best anyone has done in the American League for the previous 6 years. And in several categories they are markedly better with the prospect for mo' betta -- he seems likely to have the most wins and strikeouts of any Cy Young winner over that time as well as having by far the lowest WHIP and BAA. Not to be entirely overlooked in this is that Jered Weaver's numbers this year are almost as remarkable; his ERA, BAA, and WHIP are better than any AL Cy Young Award winner for the previous 6 years. Note that a couple updates ago I removed a paragraph at the last minute saying that I expected Jered Weaver's numbers to start falling off from their then-near-Koufax levels. He promptly tanked his next start. I wouldn't be too surprised to see both Weaver and Verlander regress a little bit from where they are now -- it's not really fair to remove the drama of September pennant races (both for and against your team) from the comparison, which I did above. That said, I'm looking forward to watching these guys for the rest of the season.

To: spitsong who wrote (16491)	9/10/2011 2:16:00 AM
From: spitsong	1 Recommendation Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 29239

2011 AL Cy Young contenders (update 3) Win W-L CG IP BB K ERA WHIP BAA WAR comments ----------------- ----- -- ----- -- --- ---- ---- ---- --- -------------------------------------- Justin Verlander 22-5 4 229.0 51 232 2.44 0.91 .191 7.7 1 dominant start in last 3 Place W-L CG IP BB K ERA WHIP BAA WAR comments ----------------- ----- -- ----- -- --- ---- ---- ---- --- -------------------------------------- Jered Weaver 16-7 4 206.1 51 176 2.49 1.03 .214 6.0 Backing out of the race; 13 ER in 11 IP For the Show W-L CG IP BB K ERA WHIP BAA WAR comments ----------------- ----- -- ----- -- --- ---- ---- ---- --- -------------------------------------- Josh Beckett 12-5 1 173.2 46 155 2.49 0.98 .203 6.0 Will miss a start after ankle sprain James Shields 14-10 11 218.0 54 205 2.77 1.02 .216 5.1 2 CG (and just 2 ER!) in last 3 starts CC Sabathia 19-7 3 218.1 51 211 2.97 1.17 .249 6.0 Just taking care of business Ricky Romero 14-10 4 200.1 77 164 3.01 1.17 .217 5.6 Beats Rays and Sawx, loses to Yanks. Justin Masterson 11-9 1 200.1 55 149 3.01 1.23 .253 4.2 Can matching JV's 4 ER in 6 IP be a duel? C.J. Wilson 15-6 3 201.0 66 179 3.13 1.19 .233 4.3 Beats Rays twice, loses to Santana. Felix Hernandez 14-11 5 217.1 65 211 3.15 1.16 .233 5.2 2-1 wins over both Haren and Santana. Ervin Santana 11-10 4 209.2 60 162 3.18 1.18 .240 3.6 Zero ER against M's, loses anyway. Dan Haren 14-8 3 208.1 28 169 3.20 1.03 .237 3.7 On the bubble despite yielding the fewest walks WAR is from baseball-reference.com: baseball-reference.com I resisted the temptation to add Doug Fister back onto this list, since many of his stats are worthy, but his W-L record leaves him a notch below. Justin Verlander takes over ERA leadership even though many of his numbers have fallen off slightly, but others have dropped off more -- only Shields, Sabathia, and Felix have seen statistical improvement since last update. Could Verlander be a unanimous Cy Young pick?