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Politics : Liberalism: Do You Agree We've Had Enough of It? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: CF Rebel who wrote (113013)	9/15/2011 7:01:50 PM
From: joefromspringfield	1 Recommendation Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 224704

Ken has a point. When someone is sentenced to death in Texas they are executed. In California well! California has rarely executed convicts since the death penalty was reinstated there in 1978, but the state has managed to spend $4 billion taxpayer dollars on capital punishment since then, according to a new cost analysis. The study, conducted over three years by a senior federal judge and a law professor, estimates that the 13 executions California has carried out in the past three decades have cost an average of $308 million each in legal fees and death row security costs. According to the L.A. Times, a death penalty prosecution can cost the state up to 20 times more than a life-without-parole case. Since the lag in California between a death row conviction and an execution now averages more than 25 years, and the state hasn't executed one prisoner since 2006, critics of the death penalty are wondering exactly what Californians are receiving in return for their money -- especially given the state's mounting budget concerns. "Basically, they're paying for a life sentence, but at the cost of death penalty trials, death penalty appeals and death row incarcerations, all of which are extremely expensive," said Richard Dieter, executive director of the Death Penalty Information Center. "And everything else gets shortchanged because of this gold-plated death penalty -- state schools are closing, policemen are getting laid off, prisoners are getting freed to make room. No one would think having the death penalty was worth that much." California currently has nearly 700 people on death row -- by far the highest in the nation. If the state holds onto the death penalty, that number could climb to over 1,000 by 2030, costing taxpayers $9 billion, the study estimates.

To: CF Rebel who wrote (113013)	9/15/2011 9:37:22 PM
From: Paul V.	Read Replies (11) \| Respond to of 224704

CF, I thought you were a big supporter of social justice. If anything is social justice, this is it. I thought conservatives believed in right to life. Now, we see that it is okay to take a life by un-natural means. Do we continue to keep an individual on life support systems through life support means? When is a person legally dead, when the heart stops or the brain is dead? It would appear to me that our Christian ethics can not have it all ways if we are created in the image of God. It seems that the various positions are incongruent with each other. What am I missing? Please explain where it is legal to take one life and have "death squads" that the TEA PARTY pushed during the healthcare debate. Maybe Kenneth and some physician on this site can resolve these differing points of view from a legal, spiritual and ethical point of view!