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To: TobagoJack who wrote (82063)	10/24/2011 8:33:51 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 218306

kid lost, kind stranger gets hold of kid and talks to kid to determine where parents are, and then accused by cretin parents of all manner of unsavory acts, for whatever moronic motive or just stupidity or very worst, a trap set by migrant workers Yes, we knew that. Thanks for confirming. and as bystanders ignoring someone in need must also happen in america, would such news hit the front page of main stream papers and end up as a story in the financial times? I have not seen any example of this since the very well-publicized story of the murder of Catherine (Kitty) Genovese, in 1964. Public outrage in the US has never completely died down, to this day. en.wikipedia.org Seeing a bleeding wounded child and just walking by is for pretty much everybody all over the world, not done. A fully grown homeless man lying passed out on the sidewalk, sometimes, rarely, people don't know whether he's injured or drunk, and don't stop to find out, and it always draws outrage and attention. A tiny child, never. You might expect it in wartime, among the shell-shocked and walking wounded, although I have never heard of someone passing by a wounded baby. Not in peace time, not in a civilized culture.

To: TobagoJack who wrote (82063)	10/24/2011 8:39:26 PM
From: Snowshoe	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 218306

>>now, we ask ourself, as such hit n run must also happen in america, would the drivers have turned themselves in? doubtful.<< Sure... these things happen here all the time. Driver hits pedestrian/cyclist at night, panics and runs, cops start looking, media broadcast details, driver sobers up, gets a lawyer and turns himself/herself in a day or two later. Google this and you'll get 320,000 hits... +"hit and run" +turns +"self in" The tragedy of the little girl in China became a worldwide sensation only because of: a) The people who passed by her without helping; and b) The huge negative reaction of the Chinese public. Note: In the USA the first driver would be in big trouble for hitting the girl, but his lawyer would argue that the parents were negligent for letting her wander in the street. In fact we just a had a case like that where a small child was found wandering along a road, and the authorities removed the child from the home and pressed charges against the guardian. With a good lawyer, the second driver would likely get the charges dropped (depending on what exactly the video shows).

To: TobagoJack who wrote (82063)	10/24/2011 8:56:48 PM
From: bart13	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 218306

Thanks, illuminating. Do you think the two drivers would have turned themselves in if the incident hadn't have been all over the media? Not trying to be accusatory, I just have little clue about the culture in spite of my daughter's efforts (she's speaks fluent Mandarin and has spent many years in China).

To: TobagoJack who wrote (82063)	10/24/2011 10:15:46 PM
From: Maurice Winn	3 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 218306

TJ, there is indeed an english expression, "No good deed goes unpunished". <believe there is a similar sentiment saying in english, say "it doesn't pay to be the good guy" or some such. > I was warned about that in earnest 40 years ago by an Irish bloke I was working with. Some small children used to stop on the way home from school and look in the holes we were digging in the road [soil testing for Auckland City Council] and chat to us. One day we were in the dairy up the road and the kids came by. I bought them a little bag of lollies to share. When we left, the Irish guy told me that was crazy!! "If anything happens to any of those children, they'll be coming looking for you." I told him I'm not going to live my life according to such fears. About the same time I gave a hitch hiker a ride and got a similar sentiment from somebody about the dangers of helping [ I had enjoyed hitch-hiking myself many many times as an impoverished hitch-hiker so was happy to reciprocate to other strangers]. I forget the details. I prefer to intercede in life. Though of course I am judicious. When traveling around India, my wife pointed out that I could not change India. Maybe not. But as my mother said decades ago, while she couldn't change things, she could change the tiny sphere of influence she had at the time, albeit of an ephemeral nature. She used to visit an Alzheimer aunt and the same sentiment was expressed - "A minute after you have gone, she doesn't know you were there. Why bother?" As my mother explained, that's true, but while she was there, her aunt did know she was there. As my mother said to a Christian who stopped to speak with her while my mother was out taking somebody for a walk in a wheelchair, when the passerby said on parting "Well, I must get on with my good Christian works too", "Yes, and I must get on with my good atheist works"... The Christian was surprised, stopped and asked "You aren't really an atheist are you?" to which my mother explained "Oh yes, and we atheists must do good things in THIS life and make things good now because there is no beyond or foregiveness or second chances for atheists. We have to get it right first time, every time." Or words to that effect. Between the Christians and atheists in the "free" world, you'd be hard pressed to get a re-run of the little girl left squashed on the road. But for a more horrific story you could mention My Lai. en.wikipedia.org Active evil is another dimension altogether compared with failing to offer assistance in an accident, or blundering and escaping. France conducted the only foreign terrorist attack in NZ with the bombing of the Rainbow Warrior in my own harbour. I went to have a look. With friends like France, Great Britain, and USA, one doesn't really need enemies. China hasn't attacked NZ. Mqurice

To: TobagoJack who wrote (82063)	10/24/2011 10:42:09 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 218306

re above, my brother once saved a kid wondering on to the street, and simply held on to the kid's hand and started shouting, "who is this kid's parents" on top of his lungs. but then my brother is different. Should we infer that you would not done the same? This is Karma, TJ.. Karma for the day when one of your children gets into trouble and no one steps in to assist... Fortunately, there is a bit of shame that still exists in China, given the national outrage that has ensued. And this gives me hope that not all Chinese will permit themselves to your stereotypes. Hawk