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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (82458)10/31/2011 4:42:25 PM
From: Maurice Winn1 Recommendation  Read Replies (4) | Respond to of 217679
 
Hawk, I decided you aren't joking. <Raise the price for shark fins and it will only increase their poaching and smuggling.

What has to happen is an outright ban on the practice, and a strong education process as to why eating shark is not a sustainable food resource.

I was disgusted by all the shark fin restaurants in Bangkok. Couldn't seem to find a good, traditional, chinese restaurant there because everything centered around shark fin soup.
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TJ didn't mean raise the price. He meant as shortage develops, the price will go up until it's a real luxury to eat shark fins. As you wrote, that will cause people to keep looking for the fewer sharks. At some stage, long before sharks become extinct [which would be no bad thing], it will be uneconomic to catch the last sharks. It's not as though they sit dumbly up on the beach where they are easy to find. They don't even have to come to the surface to breathe which would make it easy to kill most of the killer whales which are causing maui and hector dolphins to be almost extinct [along with being eaten by sharks]. People in NZ are moaning about the dolphin depredation but won't recognize the real problem which is not nets, it's killer whales. That's my theory anyway. Killer whales have been found with many dolphins in their stomachs.

Why were you disgusted by Chinese restaurants in Bangkok serving shark fin soup? If there's a shortage of dinkum Chinese restaurants and there's a surplus of customers, open one! Be like a Hindu Indian restaurant which doesn't sell beef Madras. There are vegetarian restaurants. It's a market and anyone can start supplying the customers. Your restaurant could advertize = "No shark fin soup". "We love sharks".

Shark is obviously a sustainable food resource because they keep chucking the bodies of the sharks overboard and there are plenty still to come. It's hard to imagine the top of the food chain running out of luck after umpty millions of years of doing very well indeed. There's no way you'd get rid of sharks. They are like fleas and ants - they just keep coming no matter what you do. Smallpox was vanquished and good riddance. If we could make oceans safe to swim in it would be a great thing too.

Eat shark!! Don't let them eat you or your children.

Mqurice



To: Hawkmoon who wrote (82458)10/31/2011 6:49:54 PM
From: TobagoJack  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 217679
 
before saving the sharks, should we not first focus on global warming, that which would otherwise kill off a lot more sharks along with all sorts of other creatures, and to defeat global warming, ought we not ban the private car? yes, i think that should be. given that your authorities refused to sign on to the kyoto protocol, i am counting on your for the people by the people against other people universal suffrage rule by making up rules regime to right a wrong.

ah, or tax the car at 120% rate as we already do in hong kong, and we most assuredly do not have a problem with inward bound smuggled cars.

otoh, per discussion re drugs, i believe the drug trade is outright banned, and yikes, people are dying all over the place in our altruistic effort to save the various flavors of drugs.

simple answers rarely work. if we cannot effectively raise the price of shark fin by combination of taxes, whistle blower laws, confiscatory punishment, etc etc, then what hope is there to save americans from latin american drugs?

maybe sharks can be farmed? am guessing imperative shall give rise to solutions, as long as the pricing is high enough, just like what is happening in the energy arena.

you, typically, have much faith in big government and large intervention. i naturally, being from freedom hong kong, hold true market principles, everything else being equal.

just for example, do you not see that the financial / monetary mess centered around the new york - washington axis is made possible by government intervention?

do you not see that even with per square foot pricing the highest on the planet, freedom hong kong does not have a banking crisis.

trust i am not being too complicated in reasoning and lateral reasoning.



To: Hawkmoon who wrote (82458)10/31/2011 7:52:16 PM
From: CusterInvestor3 Recommendations  Respond to of 217679
 
Jeremy Grantham report from July on resource limitations. Overview on soil and fertilizer.
Food for thought.........

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