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To: epicure who wrote (175443)	11/6/2011 12:28:21 PM
From: bentway	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 541933

"IMO we should have free education for students who pursue degrees in careers that are high demand." We do it for football players, so, why not? I have a quibble - By the time the government realizes an occupation is in high demand, it might well not be. In 2006, RRE broker was a high demand occupation, by 2008, not so much.. I think that the government should offer free education for any (of the very few) Americans that wants to major in mathematics or the sciences, and has demonstrated an ability to succeed at those in high school. I really think ALL our education should be FREE, for any American who has demonstrated an ability to succeed in high school, regardless of major.

To: epicure who wrote (175443)	11/6/2011 1:55:52 PM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541933

I'm glad to see your daughter is having a great experience at Davis. And I agree, good experiences depend both on what the school offers and how aggressively students use what's provided. Grafton tends to overgeneralize. Which is surprising since his own campus has a reputation for being much more undergraduate friendly than most of the other Ivies. Nor does he mention the stellar education offered at places like Williams, Amherst, Bryn Mawr, Swarthmore and a host of other similar schools. No doubt there are many in the midwest and the west. I just don't know that nearly as well. But the overall structural things he points to--enticing star faculty with lower undergraduate loads, most teaching done by adjuncts, and so on has been a problem at many large state institutions for some time. Nothing new about it.

To: epicure who wrote (175443)	11/6/2011 3:54:04 PM
From: koan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541933

Yeah, you have it figured out very well. You are right, kids who have to work their way through college today are at a huge disadvantage. UC Davis is one of the finest univerities in the world. Hard to go wrong there! My kid had to work hard at Berkeley and she did, so I worked hard so she wouldn't have to. And I wanted her to have time to engage in some good old college hedonism-lol. I am glad to hear you are judging their writing (thinking). You are working to get the kids where they nee to go. Good for you. We need free university education. And a strong second chance community college system which requires no grades, is so essential I cannot emphasize it enough. You have a second chance as an adult (and a kid without savvy parents) to start there and then you can progress to a higher university when you have lerned how to think a bit.