re: "how do we know who to believe?"
Message #25004 from SOROS at 11/22/2011 10:04:05 PM
Just saying, how do we KNOW who to believe? There are multiple "experts" on both sides of this issue,
and they say 100% opposite things on the subject. It all comes down to who you consider more credible,
and when the media is controlled, and the internet is wide open to every loon, it's almost impossible to
discern real truth.
Soros,
Sadly, you will never get the real truth, or the full story from the mainstream media. All you will
get is scripted talking points ie: youtu.be
Regarding the Iranian threat to Israel, here's what CNN had to say about Michell Bachman's
NeoCon-Likudnic propaganda and war mongering for the military-industrial/bankster complex...
edition.cnn.com
Truth squad: Has Iran said it wants to attack Israel?
By the CNN Wire Staff
November 23, 2011 -- Updated 0810 GMT (1610 HKT)
Editor's note: Part of the CNN Republican debate fact-checking series
(CNN) -- An Israeli strike on Iran was raised as a possibility at Tuesday night's Republican presidential
debate in Washington. Candidates were asked if they, as president, would join or support Israel.
Michele Bachmann said the issue of Israeli aggression came up only because of Iran's possible
nuclear capability.
The statement: "...why is it that we're talking about Israel having to make a strike against Iran?
It's because Iran has announced they plan to strike Israel.
"They've stated, as recently as August just before President Ahmadinejad came to -- to the U.N. General
Assembly. He said that he wanted to eradicate Israel from the face of the Earth.
"He has said that if he has a nuclear weapon he will use it to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth. He will
use it against the United States of America."
The facts:
In 2005, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, during a meeting with protesting students at Iran's Interior
Ministry, quoted a remark from Ayatollah Khomeini, founder of Iran's Islamic revolution, that Israel "must be
wiped out from the map of the world."
Ahmadinejad then said: "And God willing, with the force of God behind it, we shall soon experience a world
without the United States and Zionism," according to a quote published by Iran's state news outlet, the Islamic
Republic News Agency (IRNA).
This year, Ahmadinejad spoke to the U.N. General Assembly in September. He criticized Zionism and the
United States, but did not threaten a military attack on either country.
Ahmadinejad has maintained Iran seeks only nuclear energy capability, not nuclear weapons. On November 9,
he denied once again that his country is pursuing nukes.
"The Americans have fabricated a stack of papers and he keeps speaking about them," he said on state-run
Press TV. "Why don't you do a report on the U.S. nuclear program and its allies? Present a report on the
thousands of U.S. military bases where Washington has nuclear arms that threaten global security."
The verdict: False. While Ahmadinejad is no fan of Israel or the United States, he did not state in August that
he wants to eradicate Israel. Because he does not acknowledge pursuit of nuclear weapons, he could not have
threatened to use them against Israel or the United States.
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And CNN didn't really do justice to the story.. I wrote about it a year and a half ago here:
Message 26464820
4/15/2010 From: SliderOnTheBlack
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re: ["I could have sworn that I read some where that one of Irans objectives is to wipe Israel off the map.
They were probably only kidding----Peace"]
Actually that's not what he said...
en.wikipedia.org
Many news sources repeated the Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting (IRIB) statement as though Ahmadinejad had demanded that "Israel must be wiped off the map",[5][6] an English idiom which means to "cause a place to stop existing",[7] or to "obliterate totally",[8] or "destroy completely".[9] News sources currently continue to repeat this claim. [10]
The translation presented by IRNA has been challenged by Arash Norouzi, who says the statement "wiped off the map" was never made and that Ahmadinejad did not refer to the nation or land mass of Israel, but to the "regime occupying Jerusalem". In his own words:
So what did Ahmadinejad actually say? To quote his exact words in Persian:
"Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad."
That passage will mean nothing to most people, but one word might ring a bell: rezhim-e. It is the word "Regime", pronounced just like the English word with an extra "eh" sound at the end. Ahmadinejad did not refer to Israel the country or Israel the land mass, but the Israeli regime. This is a vastly significant distinction, as one cannot wipe a regime off the map. Ahmadinejad does not even refer to Israel by name, he instead uses the specific phrase "rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods" (regime occupying Jerusalem).
So this raises the question.. what exactly did he want "wiped from the map"? The answer is: nothing. That's because the word "map" was never used. The Persian word for map, "nagsheh", is not contained anywhere in his original Persian quote, or, for that matter, anywhere in his entire speech. Nor was the western phrase "wipe out" ever said. Yet we are led to believe that Iran's President threatened to "wipe Israel off the map", despite never having uttered the words "map", "wipe out" or even "Israel"
The full quote translated directly to English:
"The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time".
Word by word translation: Imam (Khomeini) ghoft (said) een (this) rezhim-e (regime) ishghalgar-e (occupying) qods (Jerusalem) bayad (must) az safheh-ye ruzgar (from page of time) mahv shavad (vanish from)..[12][13]
Arash Norouzi further adds that the The Islamic Republic News Agency (IRNA) translation is the source of the confusion:
According to Juan Cole, a University of Michigan Professor of Modern Middle East and South Asian History, Ahmadinejad's statement should be translated as:
The Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem (een rezhim-e eshghalgar-e qods) must [vanish from] the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad).[14]
The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) translates the phrase similarly, as "be eliminated from the pages of history."[15]
According to Cole, "Ahmadinejad did not say he was going to 'wipe Israel off the map' because no such idiom exists in Persian". Instead, "He did say he hoped its regime, i.e., a Jewish-Zionist state occupying Jerusalem, would collapse."[16]
On June 2, 2006 The Guardian columnist and foreign correspondent Jonathan Steele published an article based on this line of reasoning.[17]
Please read:
guardian.co.uk
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Soros, if you want to know who you can believe, here's someone whose principles have never wavered,
whose voting record matches his principles (ie: he actually walks his talk), and who is not beholding to
either a foreign lobby, or the international banksters...
youtu.be
Pay special attention to the 8:45 mark in the video above where Mitt Romney bullshits America
about the potential $1 trillion dollars in draconian cuts to the military-industrial "defense" budget,
when in reality, they are not cutting a single dollar... merely reducing the rate of automatic increases
in spending over the next decade. Only in Washington, is a reduction in the rate of growth - a draconian
cut.
The false left-right paradim where the bankers win either way...
Debt and deficits from the socialist welfare state on left,
or debt and deficits from the corporatist-warfare state on the right.
End the Warfare - Corporate Welfare State.
Legalize The Constitution - Elect Ron Paul President in 2012.
SOTB |
