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Pastimes : Plastics to Oil - Pyrolysis and Secret Catalysts and Alterna -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Steady_on who wrote (15516)	12/17/2011 5:00:40 PM
From: flptrnkng	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 53574

company still believes Ahhh, there's that forward looking weasel word 'believes'. Better read the boilerplate on the next PR. Also in the boilerplate: (3) JBI may experience delays in the commercial operations of its Plastic2Oil machines and there is no assurance that they can be operated profitably. Take that to heart.

To: Steady_on who wrote (15516)	12/17/2011 6:05:27 PM
From: PaperProphet	Respond to of 53574

For what it's worth, I believe Mr. Bordynuik can produce "fuel" for under $10/bbl. Many people have done so using pyrolysis. Now if Mr. Bordynuik uses unsorted plastic scrap as feedstock which will contain PET and PVC and therefore significant oxygen and other elements, he's not going to have a useful fuel and he's going to pay dearly for that scrap plastic. Just because Mr. Bordynuik says he "doesn't want" PET doesn't mean removing the PET makes it cheaper--sorting is expensive. And if Mr. Bordynuik uses hydrocarbon-only plastic scrap, he might actually have something useful but then he's going to pay a price for that scrap which rivals the price he can get for the "fuel" even if that fuel actually turns out to be pure diesel. He simply won't make money. Just because he said he could get all the free plastic he wanted and now is saying he's jumping through hoops to get raggertail containing only 25% plastic for free, doesn't mean he can actually get any free hydrocarbon-only plastic--unless he's picking milk bottles from dumpsters or has an army of unpaid volunteers dumpster diving for him. Now if Mr. Bordynuik uses virgin hydrocarbon-only plastic and successfully turns that to diesel, he will have successfully converted $1,800 per ton of plastic into a product only worth $800. Obviously nobody believes that's his goal but the price of virgin plastic shows the premium that plastic carries over crude oil. plastic is a value-added product that's why people make plastic out of oil and not the other way around. That's why they recycle sorted plastic rather than trying to develop technology to turn it into fuel.