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To: zen_lunatic420 who wrote (106279)	12/30/2011 12:58:55 PM
From: Rawnoc	Respond to of 120405

Everything I posted is easily verifiable with public data. If you couldn't find it with Google, then it's your Googling skills perhaps that need work. It would be a waste of my time to walk you through each bullet point just like it was a waste of time to explain to you how silly your claim of toxins being created by JBII's process is and was.

To: zen_lunatic420 who wrote (106279)	12/30/2011 12:59:15 PM
From: Rawnoc	Respond to of 120405

"I challenge any JBII pumper to come back to this post one year from now and tell me I was the one that was wrong." You were wrong that was wrong. Zen lunatic420 Thursday, December 10, 2009 11:34:54 AM Re: b9molecule post# 1584Post # of 5354 JBII: It seams to me that if they were serious about bringing the P2O to market, they would have hired a reputable engineering consultant to prepare plans and specifications for system design and installation before hiring a PR firm. I don't see that JBII has even put forth any truely qualitiative or quantitative analysis of the proccess. There's some random tidbits here and there, but nothing that shows they've really evaluated the materials balances, operating costs, and permitting requirements for the P20 system that will ultimately determine if it's viable or not in the real world. What's the catalyst expenditure rate? How often will residues need to be cleaned from the reactor, how will they need to be disposed of, what will that cost, etc., etc.? But their PR about getting their first batch of snake oil tested by an independant third pary lab seams to have allayed the technical concerns for their non-technical investors. No one following it really seams to have the background to understand that just because it passsed one test to meet the general description of low sulfer oil doesn't mean it will meet other parameters required for acceptance into a refinery. The one big red flag I see is the potential for traces of chlorinated contaminants in the product....or in the gasses from the proccess that they're planning in burning to provide heat to the process. The air emissions from the boiler unit that burns the gaseous content released from the proccess are a serious issue. There can be a lot of Hazardous Air Pollutants (HAPs) in a mixed bag of melted or reacted plastics (especially if there's PVC in it)....and it's going to require an air permit....and maybe some emissions control units. As one example of what can be found in a mizxed bag of plastics, incineration of PVC causes the release of dioxins, which are highly toxic and highly regulated: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polychlorinated_dibenzodioxins I challenge any JBII pumper to come back to this post one year from now and tell me I was the one that was wrong.

To: zen_lunatic420 who wrote (106279)	12/30/2011 12:59:31 PM
From: Rawnoc	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 120405

I will respond to this one thing though for fun: "You fail to mention that NYSDEC issued a Consent Order because JBII didn't obtain the proper permits before beginning operations. The company's attempt to spin this as a positive was really the biggest joke I've seen. As enforcement tools go, a Consent Order is the carrot, next comes the stick." The problem is the NYSDEC, with one simple phone call, "spun" it as a positive as well. And considering the "enforcement tool" included giving them a "consent order" to build ADDITIONAL PROCESSORS, something they didn't even start yet, it's laughable to call it an enforcement action. As if the NYSDEC said "JBII, we command you to expand your business" -- ROFL!!!!! I agree that a consent order is NORMALLY an enforcement action. However, it was clearly and obviously used as a tool/loophole to allow JBII to bypass the wait time while a permit processes. They had all the temporary permits in place to begin operations -- the NYSDEC was actively working WITH them during that time. It's further laughable to say "they didn't obtain proper permits before beginning operations" -- LOl -- the NYSDEC was actively on site with them the entire time.

To: zen_lunatic420 who wrote (106279)	1/4/2012 4:27:25 PM
From: zen_lunatic420	8 Recommendations Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 120405

JBII: I'm finding it very difficult to remain tactful and respectful here, when the JBII pumpers have not shown us the least bit of respect, but retaliation is no excuse to stoop to that level. May I just say, in defense of the assault I was under here a few days ago, this is why I dispute pumping posts and try to help separate the wheat from the chaff here, or quite frankly, the fact from the fiction. I wonder if the SEC will look into message board posters who make false claims about relationships with larger companies like OXY, GM, and Chrysler? I've been in stocks that have been halted for SEC investigation, for much less egregious partings with reality, it's no fun.....but I've learned from the mistakes.....and will continue to try to share my research and the truth with others here.