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To: Wharf Rat who wrote (6957)	1/16/2012 1:25:43 PM
From: longnshort	3 Recommendations Respond to of 85487

Google Dana1981, total whack job. As the title indicates, Chicken Little Dana1981 is convinced that his text contains a proof of man-made global warming. Instead, it contains a few kilobytes of excretions of a brain in the middle of its decay. Dana1981 addresses the text to two people that he must believe are the only climate skeptics in the world - Richard Lindzen and Roy Spencer. The existence of the remaining 4+ billion skeptics in the world, including tens of thousands of science PhDs, is being denied. But let's begin with the actual content... First, Dana1981 claims that Roy Spencer's challenge “Show me one peer-reviewed paper that has ruled out natural, internal climate cycles as the cause of most of the recent warming in the thermometer record.”"is problematic for a few reasons". What are those reasons, except for the fact that it's an inconvenient truth for Dana1981 that no such paper exists? Firstly, the fact that research has not ruled out a hypothesis does not mean the hypothesis necessarily has any validity. Wow. Oh, really? One may show that a hypothesis has no validity without ruling it out? One would think that this statement is tautologically invalid. Sorry, you can't really falsify a hypothesis without falsifying it. For example, there have been no peer-reviewed papers ruling out leprechauns as the cause of most of the recent global warming, either. Climate hacks must have missed it - they "accidentally" manage to miss all proofs that their proclamations are lies - but as I have demonstrated, there has been a peer-reviewed paper that has ruled out not just leprechauns but all sprites as the primary driver of the climate change. More seriously, it is preposterous to compare leprechauns to the clouds, solar activity, volcanoes, ocean cycles, and cosmic rays because all these phenomena - except for leprechauns - have been driving the Earth's climate for 4.7 billion years and are still doing so. motls.blogspot.com

To: Wharf Rat who wrote (6957)	1/16/2012 1:28:37 PM
From: Brumar89	1 Recommendation Respond to of 85487

Deleter of inconvenient data? Sounds like James Hansen: Message 27883751

To: Wharf Rat who wrote (6957)	1/16/2012 2:18:46 PM
From: Murrey Walker	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 85487

LMAO too, Wharfster. The pissing contest continues. One side says the sky is blue. The other says it's turquoise. If you have been following the thread closely, you've noted that I've said ad nauseam, that many republicans agree that climate change is taking place. AND somewhere the truth is to be found. However, others aren't listening. The disagreement with AGW is over how much, as far as I'm concerned. AND, the alarmist in chief (obama) says that it's "Settled science!", and stuffs that down our throats. Now when are we going to quit whistling past one another, get the current resident out of the White House and get down to more pressing matters at hand; like saving our economy? Then we can move on to your favorite subject.

To: Wharf Rat who wrote (6957)	1/16/2012 2:59:38 PM
From: longnshort	1 Recommendation Respond to of 85487

How the AMO killed the CAGW cult Updated 10/24/2011 to include a quote from Dr. Richard Lindzen. Quoting M.I.T. Climatologist Dr. Richard Lindzen (Emphasis mine & I inserted the link):“The motions of the massive oceans where heat is moved between deep layers and the surface provides variability on time scales from years to centuries. Recent work ( Tsonis et al, 2007), suggests that this variability is enough to account for all climate change since the 19th Century.”The Tsonis paper covers a wide range of ocean driven climate cycles. Included among the cycles is the North Atlantic Oscillation. Not included is the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation (the ocean cycle I explore below). If one looked for a single factor explanation for the rise and fall of the CAGW religious cult (and the Global Cooling cult which preceded it), the AMO (Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation) would be a very good candidate. Click here and here for published science consistent with this view. Also consistent with this view is this chart taken from this published science (detailed in a previous post). Examine the AMO chart of rising and falling ocean temperatures. Click the image to enlarge it: Click here for the source. Ultimate data source is this file from this page. In 1934, the continental USA experienced the hottest year on record. That warm period closely correlated with an AMO warming cycle (see the graph above). In 1975, the world was 30 years into a cooling trend closely correlated with AMO cooling. That was the year that Newsweek swore we would all freeze to death unless big government came to our rescue. In 1988, the world was one decade into a warming trend closely correlated with AMO warming. That was the year James Hansen testified in front of Congress and started the CAGW hysteria cult. By 1998, the AMO warming cycle peaked and plateaued. Coincidentally (or not), the alarmists at NOAA admit there has been no global warming since 1998:“The trend in the ENSO-related component for 1999–2008 is +0.08±0.07°C decade, fully accounting for the overall observed trend. The trend after removing ENSO (the "ENSO-adjusted" trend) is 0.00°±0.05°C decade.” Peer reviewed science suggests that -- owing to the AMO -- there will be no global warming through 2018. A simple examination of the chart above suggests that global temperatures will probably be generally flat through 2018 (at which point we’re likely to see another dramatic cooling trend such as the one which started around 1945 and, circa 1975, caused alarmists to declare we were all going to freeze to death -- unless big government stepped in to save us). The question is… By 2040, will tomorrow’s climate charlatans try to convince us we will all freeze to death unless big government steps in to save us? Do you really need to ask? Click the image & see how these AMO cycles fit into a larger (and very gradual) warming trend: This chart is copied from Akasofu, 2010. The associated post was authored by Dr. David Evans. Click here to further validate Akasofu’s conclusions. Owing to Milankovitch Cycles, the day will come when 1,000 foot tall glaciers once again cover what is now New York City. But, mercifully, that day is probably about 50,000 years away. In the meantime -- driven by various other shorter term natural cycles -- temperatures will continue to rise and fall and the climate will continue to change (as it always has). But, relatively speaking, we will continue to enjoy some of the most stable climatic conditions the world has ever known.