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Politics : President Barack Obama -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: zeta1961 who wrote (108323)	1/27/2012 1:07:08 PM
From: ChinuSFO	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 149317

zeta, I don't keep track of what positions are being taken here by posters. Hence it is a tall order to expect that I should post on this topic to you. My point is that Obama needs to fulfill the wishes of the majority if he expects people to vote for him. People want him to address the job situation. The WH needs to support their claim that the project will not create as many jobs as in being advocated by the unions and the Republican party. I wonder why the labor unions are for it then. I am for advocating diminished use of oil to preserve our environment here in this country. But if we start being a barrier for other countries to buy and sell oil and not be smart enough to even make some money in the process, that looks stupid. Do you really believe that the use of oil is evil or do you believe that it is just bad. My environmentalist friends from Greenpeace here and overseas, who are all rich and retired believe that oil use is evil. And that is ridiculous. I have indicated several times in the past that I am against any organized form of political action. As a firm believer in democracy, I only support organized political activities resulting from the spontaneous reaction of the general masses as evidenced during the downfall of the USSR from mass demonstrations in Moscow square, the Tahrir squares in Tunis, Libya and hopefully soon to be in Damascus. Not for any organized political activities such as those of labor unions, environmentalists, the rich people etc. That is just my way. I don't expect others to follow mine but I have a right as anyone else to express them.

To: zeta1961 who wrote (108323)	1/28/2012 12:58:10 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 149317

I presume these environmentalists are rich bastards like Romney. They have so much money that they do not need to work. While Romney is making money by pushing money, these environmentalists are even worse in that they are pushing their pet political ideologies on the backs of the unemployed. Edit: I take offense to this characterization because I have been the one most posting anti-Keystone material here. If you felt this way, posting this nastiness in the middle of the night and not addressed to me is pure cowardice, Chinu. FWIW, I never thought for one second that Chinu's post was directed at you. I am surprised you took it that way. And I think its important to note that most liberals........if not all, are environmentalists. However, like in any subset, there are varying degrees. Right now, here in WA state, there is a big battle over the exporting of MT coal to China thru a WA state port. Everything has been done to mitigate against any coal dust being exposed to the air during transport and export.........covered cars and covered facilities at the port. Yet, some environmentalists are fighting it diligently. Why? They don't believe coal should be used as a fuel source. And it doesn't matter that China will use coal whether they get it from MT or Russia. As an environmentalist, I disagree with their position..........because of the economics involved. We need port jobs in WA state..........they pay semi skilled workers a good pay. MT is a poor state.........it needs the revenue. Those workers and that state can't eat principle and purist ideology..........and I can understand their frustration with the position of the environmentalists. Protecting the environment is extremely important but there has to be some flexibility or we run the risk of hurting ourselves economically.