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To: 2MAR$ who wrote (21945)	3/4/2012 3:48:13 PM
From: Giordano Bruno	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 69300

Of course the ultimate mystery of existence, i.e why the universe at large exists, or why the laws of Physics exist at all, will always remain a mystery, providing [a permanent source of pabulum for the pref-frontal cortex. lol] So that ultimate "?" will always provide a room and excuse for being spiritually hungry (we all are to varying extent) for a POSSIBLE higher reality. We will never be able to logically refute a creationist who may believe that its not life that is created by God, but the laws of Physics is, and that evolution (biology) is a consequence of the laws of Physics created by God, leading to the creation of life(biogenesis). The dude seems quite confused.

To: 2MAR$ who wrote (21945)	3/4/2012 11:14:08 PM
From: Solon	Respond to of 69300

"After all, if our life is transient, purely material, and nothing remains after our death, why SHOULD the "SHOULDS" really matter to us at all?" A common misconception. Life is always a current affair. Values are not predicated on infinite results. Certainly, one can understand how belief in eternal life could make values seem somewhat arbitrary because (after all) if one lives forever then nothing one does has any ultimate import. However, everyone knows that life IS finite and that all individual life forms must dissolve. Therefore, every moment of life IS precious and must be lived with values which encourage safety, survival, and well-being. This means cooperation and integrity in relationships. Surely, one could (I suppose) TRULY believe they were going to live forever either in happiness or in torment and that those consequences flowed from blind obedience to some moral dogmas dictated to them by on high. In which case their morality (or lack of it) still derives from their belief in how their interactions inform their (eventual) happiness versus their (eventual) suffering. The only difference is that in such an instance such persons have no rational basis for their "morality". And whether or not the supernatural dictates they 'must' blindly follow are truly for or against community is problematic. Certainly, such a disconnect from earthly life makes such people a risk for society as they may not be amenable to reality and may not respond to normal punishments and rewards--or to positive and negative consequences in the natural case. In any event, the rational, secular, and natural community always seeks through evolution to eliminate or control those dictated behaviors which threaten objective community life. Currently, we see this problem in some of the communities believing in witches and black magic and evil eyes and demons and such--much as our culture did till recent times as grounded in the church and her Divine Scriptures. Eventually, reality will temper the rough edges of this supernatural foolishness and leave the mere lip service and empty ritual. Reality cannot be denied and cannot be avoided...