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To: russet who wrote (165048)3/5/2012 8:58:16 PM
From: Bearcatbob3 Recommendations  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 206126
 
How can this be?

"The cruel irony now is that they can't get their hands on that cheap, heavy crude. Canadian crude is exactly the kind of oil these sophisticated refineries need but it's all piling up in Cushing, 700 km to the north. Without a way to pump it down south, Gulf Coast refiners with sophisticated facilities are instead being forced to pay a premium for heavy oil from Venezuela. "



Does not everyone know that Canadian oil that reaches the coast will simply be exported. Surely those telling us that would not lie as they are the "caring" people of our society. We must prevent the US from being simply used as a conduit for Canadian exports to the world - right? Especially when they will not pump the oil to their coast - why should allow them to use ours?

Bob



To: russet who wrote (165048)3/7/2012 5:44:35 AM
From: raybiese2 Recommendations  Respond to of 206126
 
Some corrections are needed here. The article is slanted as it "leaves out" a whole different factor.
<In the last decade, US refiners invested billions into upgrading their facilities to accommodate heavier, sourer crude oils.>

The Gulf Coast refiners invested in heavy crude refining capacity to handle Mexican and Venezuelan heavy grades (not Canadian heavy crude)
in order to get a $10-$20/bbl "grade discount". Over the past several years, the Maya depletion rate was 100K-200k bbl/d per year and Venezuela has been, well, "problematic". So the "urgency" for Canadian heavy grade pipeline capacity to the Gulf Coast creeps up a bit, year by year.

But to even imply that the Gulf Cost refiners acted proactively to build out heavy oil processing costing multi-billions "in anticipation" of Canadian heavy crude is just plain stupid.

To describe that the Gulf Coast refiners all are "salivating" just thinking about 'sharing' the Cushing Discount and processing uber-cheap Canadian crude into uber-expensive gasoline & diesel and floating it to the world.... would be pretty accurate. (Yes, I cleaned up the 'mental image' a bit.)
see: en.wikipedia.org
or see: eia.gov


There has been some forward thinking.
COP & CVE invested multi-billions in upgrading the Wood River refinery (Illinois). All part of a strategy from a 2007 deal where COP got ownership of some CVE oil sands and CVE got ownership in some of COP refineries. Then the refinery upgrades started.
From wiki: en.wikipedia.org
A new four-drum coker, part of Wood River Refinery's Coker and Refinery Expansion (CORE) was completed in November 2011[1]. The new coker has a capacity of 65,000 barrels per day and is expected to expand the capacity to handle the bitumen from the Alberta oil sands by nearly 700%. The new Wood River coker's processing capacity is approximately 200,000 - 220,000 barrels per day. The CORE project took about three years to build, with a total cost of US $3.8 billion (US $1.9 billion to Cenovus), and has increased clean product yield by 5% to approximately 85%. While the expansion was undertaken specifically to handle heavy oil imported from Alberta, the refined transportation fuels products are destined for the U.S. Midwest market, including St. Louis and Chicago [1] not Canada.

I just do not know what the Koch empire has been up to in this area.

Update....
Brent: $122.82 bloomberg.com
Maya: $110.11 for 20.5 API 3.3% S heavy stuff: bloomberg.com
WTI: $104.70 bloomberg.com
WCS: $104.70-$33.50 = $71.20 bloomberg.com

Brent-Maya= $12.71 discount
Brent-WCS= $51.62 discount
Maya-WCS= $38.91 discount

1.3 million bbl/day (heavy grades only) x 365 days/yr x $38.91/bbl discount = $18.9 billion/yr
Northern Gateway budget for 0.525 million bbl/d is $5.7 billion
Cost of Seaway reversal = 50% ownership at $1.2 billion + share of reversal costs
Keystone XL budget....

If anyone thinks that the Canucks will idly sit by forever and "take" $71 for crude worth $110 (aka Maya) is a fool.

Money for nothing and your chicks for free.... youtube.com
Ray