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To: No Mo Mo who wrote (186229)	3/29/2012 10:20:51 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 542828

Actually no- the republican party is also creeping (and creepy)- and if you want to scream at the dems, you just put a bigger gap between them and the republicans- and if the people of the US (or the monied interests) want to drive us right, screamy for old lefty crap will only get you marginalized and make you fail. The "mission creep" is happening because the electorate (or the money) is somehow driving the creep. Protesting will get you nowhere. I saw how much good "speaking out" did at the beginning of the Iraq war. That cured me of the idea that this is a democracy, and that the voice of "the people" matters. The voice of money matters- unless you speak with big money tongue, you speak in the wilderness. But hey, do what you want. I do what I do for very logical reasons. I'm not interested in impractical protests. My day begins in earnest now- so have a nice day.

To: No Mo Mo who wrote (186229)	3/29/2012 10:22:50 AM
From: Wharf Rat	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542828

To quote you, (most of) "The Democratic party of today ain't, as they say, my mother's Democratic party " ; or my father's.

To: No Mo Mo who wrote (186229)	3/29/2012 11:21:28 AM
From: Steve Lokness	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542828

Fascinating positioning chart for 2012! This is why it matters very little as to who wins the election - Obama or Romney. Another interesting observation is how far all candidates (except Paul) are at the chart towards "Authoritarian" and away from "Libertarian".

To: No Mo Mo who wrote (186229)	3/29/2012 1:25:14 PM
From: koan	Respond to of 542828

I agree, which is why it kills me to see Obama playing patty cake with the Republican's. Many of us protested we voted for an FDR who welcomed the right wing's hate and fought it straight on. Obama campaigned as an FDR. I followed that election very closely. It seems very few remember it was the Congressional Black Caucus and liberals who literally forced Obama to move back to a populist tone after the debt ceiling debacle in the middle of 2011. What if those two groups had not gone public? Recently I watch Obama and his best buddy Dave Cameron, who is destroying England with his right wing policies and was a person who got elected to a large degree, by Rupert Murdock. Cameron quadrupled college tuition fees and is strangling the economy which Krugman has started using as his evidence that the right wings economic policies are bullshit.

To: No Mo Mo who wrote (186229)	3/30/2012 1:16:31 AM
From: Cogito	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 542828

>>Yes, he is not a liberal. Barack Obama...the evolution of a Republican<< Sorry to butt in, but I have to reject as unscientific any graph purporting to show who is more liberal or conservative when it places Ralph Nader only in the middle on the liberal scale. I don't even give a damn about these labels and scales. Obama is who he is, and as imperfect as he is, he's a far better President than McCain would have been. He's also a far better President than Romney or Santorum would be. I want to see him re-elected. Then we can put pressure on him to change that which we cannot support.