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To: koan who wrote (24639)4/12/2012 10:03:52 PM
From: Solon  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 69300
 
And that is not really the entire point. Yes..the Science is pretty strong and the scientists are (almost) all on one side. That is huge. But all I have ever said is that we should simply research all we can in the hope that we can learn enough to survive climate change. Clearly, a lot of climate change is beyond our control. But look at us: We read our hydro meters and we have gas heat instead of dying from the cold.

Our earth and our atmosphere have become extremely small. This is NOT the universe we are talking about. It is only our TENT. Criticality may not occur for a hundred years--but whether caused mostly by us or natural change is IRRELEVANT. Fresh air and fresh water. Big corporations are buying up water even now! :-)

I believe people do have a brain and they can make a difference. A very unpopular attitude to take at some cocktail parties...



To: koan who wrote (24639)4/12/2012 10:16:20 PM
From: 2MAR$  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 69300
 
Most people on earth have not developed their minds enough to think abstractly enough. Most don't even know one needs to do that ....

This is probably one of the chief reasons why the latest manifestations of God being depicted as having infinite mercy & men desperately clinging to the idea that they are within reach of some superior positioning afforded by & thru this loving compassionate Being . There is some hope of integration with this higher power & the cherished idea of man having a "soul" which if protected by blind bling faith , rituals , offerings & certain deeds, leads to some final uniting "elsewhere" in perfect liberation .

Of course the sense that a God must be a merciful being must take precident over all other things given the hopeless reality you mention above . Which is a fate that the most brilliant scholars like Descarte have argued extensively against Man a Machine materialism vs souless animal but think rather vainly in their attempt to make much of a distinction really . WE are animals take it or leave it , it remains the truth, Descarte missed that boat again with wishful thinking & theologians to impress .

If there is one sin above all is to view ourselves that much higher than our next cousin on the evolutionary tree and as wise old Solomon said "All the rest is vanities kids " . For centuries theologians have made great fuss about the "human soul" & the more i ponder this idea of original sin it revolves around the fact that most of us don't really have much soul to speak of , born out of this follows the great rituals & displays for vain pretense .

Probably those few that have developed great integrated genius are aware of the machinery we are in reality , this is something they adapt to & makes them more efficient in cataloging ideas where for the bulk of the rest of humanity there is only those chaotic haunting hints of fearful ghosts in the machine , for we all our predominately still materially centered & mechanistically composed . ( seen in zealous nationalism & fundmentalism)

My God how i worship thee for my salvation , salvation from being a machine ... nothing gets the believers more riled up than to suggest this materialist philosophy & they are so brilliant in their displays against it , yet the more i see this the more the digitized atomic structure of nature seems to prove true in everything we see including "US" .

(but even a machine can learn to follow a bliss of sorts , seek better integration & harmonious working of parts )



To: koan who wrote (24639)4/12/2012 11:41:57 PM
From: average joe  Respond to of 69300
 
"I have studied the human midn"

The human midn is a terrible thing to waste!

"Just look at how AGW has become a political football? We broke the 1895 US heat record in March by 8.6%!! We are waming 200,000 times faster than at any time in the past and the right wing denies it.

99% of atmospheric scientists confirm our worst fears and the bulk of the people look right at the problem and yawn."

Al Gore made it a polical football for his own personal gain. Obama backed Solyndra for his own political gain.

Obama admin reworked Solyndra loan to favor donor

By MATTHEW DALY

The Associated Press

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration restructured a half-billion dollar federal loan to a troubled solar energy company in such a way that private investors — including a fundraiser for President Barack Obama — moved ahead of taxpayers for repayment in case of a default, government records show.


FILE - In this Aug. 31, 2011, file photo, Solyndra workers leave Solyndra in Fremont, Calif. Newly released emails show that the Obama administration was worried about the financial health of a troubled solar energy company even as officials publicly declared the company in good shape. An email from a White House budget official to a co-worker discussed the likely effect of a default by Solyndra Inc. on President Barack Obama’s re-election campaign. (AP Photo/Paul Sakuma, File)

Administration officials defended the loan restructuring, saying that without an infusion of cash earlier this year, solar panel maker Solyndra Inc. would likely have faced immediate bankruptcy, putting more than 1,000 people out of work.

Even with the federal help, Solyndra filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection earlier this month and laid off its 1,100 employees.

The Fremont, Calif.-based company was the first renewable-energy company to receive a loan guarantee under a stimulus-law program to encourage green energy and was frequently touted by the Obama administration as a model. Obama visited the company's Silicon Valley headquarters last year, and Vice President Joe Biden spoke by satellite at its groundbreaking.

Since then, the implosion of the company and revelations that the administration hurried Office of Management and Budget officials to finish their review of the loan in time for the September 2009 groundbreaking has become an embarrassment for Obama as he sells his new job-creation program around the country.

An Associated Press review of regulatory filings shows that Solyndra was hemorrhaging hundreds of millions of dollars for years before the Obama administration signed off on the original $535 million loan guarantee in September 2009. The company eventually got $528 million.

Given the company's shaky financial condition, Republican lawmakers say the decision to restructure the loan raises questions about whether the administration protected political supporters at taxpayers' expense.

"You should have protected the taxpayers and made some forceful actions here after this analysis," Rep. Cliff Stearns, R-Fla., told a top Energy Department official this week. "Because you should have seen the problems. And you should have said, 'Taxpayers need to be protected and this has got to stop.' "

The loan restructuring is one element congressional investigators are focusing on as they look into the federal loan guarantee Solyndra received under the economic stimulus law.

Under terms of the February loan restructuring, two private investors — Argonaut Ventures I LLC and Madrone Partners LP — stand to be repaid before the U.S. government if the solar company is liquidated. The two firms gave the company a total of $69 million in emergency loans. The loans are the only portion of their investments that have repayment priority above the U.S. government.

Argonaut is an investment vehicle of the George Kaiser Family Foundation of Tulsa, Okla. The foundation is headed by billionaire George Kaiser, a major Obama campaign contributor and a frequent visitor to the White House. Kaiser raised between $50,000 and $100,000 for Obama's 2008 campaign, federal election records show. Kaiser has made at least 16 visits to the president's aides since 2009, according to White House visitor logs.

Madrone Partners is affiliated with the Walton family, descendants of Wal-Mart founder Sam Walton. Rob Walton, the eldest son of Sam Walton, contributed $2,500 last year to the National Republican Congressional Committee.

The AP review also found that officials at Solyndra had been seeking a second round of loans from the Energy Department to expand the company's Silicon Valley headquarters. The request for a second loan was denied.

"We have incurred significant net losses since our inception, including a net loss of $114.1 million in 2007, $232.1 million in 2008 and $119.8 million in the first nine months of fiscal 2009, and we had an accumulated deficit of $505 million at Oct. 3, 2009," the company said in a December 2009 filing to the SEC. "We expect to continue to incur significant operating and net losses and negative cash flow from operations for the foreseeable future."

Energy Department spokesman Damien LaVera said Friday that the company's financial losses were not uncommon for a high-tech startup and were a major reason Solyndra applied for the federal loan. The loan program is intended to help promising companies that cannot receive financing through private banks because of high risk.

Jonathan Silver, executive director of the Energy Department's loan program, said DOE officials faced a stark choice late last year and early this year: Refuse to allow the loan restructuring, "thereby ensuring that Solyndra would close its doors immediately" or allow the company to accept emergency financing, "thereby giving it and its almost 1,000 workers a fighting chance at success, and the government a higher expected recovery on its loan."

The decision by Energy Secretary Steven Chu was not an easy one, Silver told the House Energy and Commerce Committee, but appeared to be the right action at the time.

"Without DOE's agreement to restructure Solyndra's loan, the company likely would have faced bankruptcy much earlier — in December 2010" or soon after, Silver said. "Restructuring gave them a fighting chance to compete and succeed, and kept approximately 1,000 workers from losing their jobs."

Republicans were not impressed.

"If their model was weak to begin with, and then the market gets worse, doesn't that mean that maybe we should have just not thrown good money after bad?" asked Rep. Morgan Griffith, R-Va. "Because now we're in a worse position in the bankruptcy courts to get our money back."

GOP presidential candidate Michele Bachmann called the Solyndra loan an example of "crony capitalism" that benefited political donors.

"It's wrong to abuse executive authority with unilateral actions" Bachmann said at a campaign event Friday in California. "And of course the other problem with Solyndra is the fact that it appears there was crony capitalism, that there were political donors that benefited by this $535 million loan."

Newly released emails show the White House was worried about the likely effect of a default by Solyndra on Obama's re-election campaign.

"The optics of a Solyndra default will be bad," an OMB official wrote in a Jan. 31 email to a colleague. "The timing will likely coincide with the 2012 campaign season heating up."

The budget official, whose name is blacked out in the email, wondered whether Solyndra should be allowed to restructure its loan.

"Questions will be asked as to why the administration made a bad investment, not just once (which could hopefully be explained as part of the challenge of supporting innovative technologies), but twice (which could easily be portrayed as bad judgment, or worse)," the email says.

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To: koan who wrote (24639)4/13/2012 4:51:15 PM
From: longnshort2 Recommendations  Respond to of 69300
 
"I have studied the human midn for a long time"

more BS from Koan the king of BS take another bong hit