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To: koan who wrote (15220)	4/16/2012 3:50:57 PM
From: sm1th	2 Recommendations Respond to of 85487

even MSNBC is often their target. MSNBC hired Al Sharpton as a commentator. Is the race-baiter in chief another one of your liberal geniuses?

To: koan who wrote (15220)	4/16/2012 7:44:00 PM
From: Broken_Clock	3 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 85487

fascists at it again. ++++ IRS Travel Ban: Revoking Citizenship By Stealth Provision that allows feds to suspend passports of accused tax delinquents expected to pass Congress Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones Infowars.com Monday, April 16, 2012 Efforts to pass a bill that would allow the IRS to deny travel rights to U.S. citizens who the feds merely claim owe $50,000 or more in delinquent taxes represents a de facto move to revoke the citizenship of Americans without due process and in complete violation of the Constitution. Thanks to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, a recently passed Senate bill, the suitably Orwellian entitled ‘Moving Ahead for Progress in the 21st Century Act’, includes a provision that allows the federal government to revoke passports of Americans accused of owing back taxes. The legislation now moves to the Congress where, despite a Republican majority, the IRS provision is expected to be retained in the final version of the bill because it will raise an estimated $750 million dollars over ten years. “There is no requirement that the tax payer be guilty of or even charged with tax evasion, fraud, or any criminal offense — only that the citizen is alleged to owe the IRS back taxes of $50,000 or more,” reports the Daily Economist. Empowering the IRS to deny fundamental rights on a whim is completely illegal and unconstitutional. “There are also numerous Supreme Court precedents protecting these same rights,” writes Jack Swint. “Furthermore, the law appears to violate Article I, Section 9, paragraph 3 of the United States Constitution, which forbids “Bills of Attainder”, which are laws providing for the punishment of an individual without benefit of judicial process.” “It takes away your right to enter or exit the country based upon a non-judicial IRS determination that you owe taxes,” Constitutional Attorney Angel Reyes told FOX Business. “It’s a scary thought that our congressional representatives want to give the IRS the power to detain US citizens over taxes, which could very well be in dispute.” What’s next? If the feds can bar you from leaving the country merely by claiming you have committed some infraction without having to provide any evidence, the prospect of Americans being abducted and interned indefinitely under the National Defense Authorization Act with a similar absence of due process is just around the corner. Will citizens have their drivers license cancelled if the state claims they are behind on their property taxes? How about the government working with big banks to suspend credit cards if an individual is accused of avoiding inheritance or capital gains tax? Will similar punitive measures of punishment be enforced for Americans who attempt to avoid mandatory government health care? Presumably because the provision was introduced by Harry Reid, there is a noticeable absence of uproar from the left even though the bill would achieve in one fell swoop what civil libertarians have fought against during the course of over ten years of the ‘war on terror’ – the ability of the federal government to arbitrarily strip Americans of the inherent rights associated with their citizenship status. While U.S. citizens will be treated as guilty until proven innocent with regard to tax delinquency under this bill, individuals and corporations that have avoided hundreds of millions of dollars in taxes continue to escape any scrutiny whatsoever from the IRS. Forget $50,000 dollars, people like Warren Buffett owe nearly one billion dollars in back taxes going back a decade, but I doubt you’ll see Buffett being apprehended by the TSA on his next business trip if this bill passes Congress. This has nothing to do with cracking down on large scale tax criminals and everything to do with greasing the skids for the federal government to randomly deny Americans the right to mobility, effectively revoking their citizenship, merely on hearsay alone.

To: koan who wrote (15220)	4/17/2012 2:18:49 AM
From: JBTFD	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 85487

Yes, I like that they do go for both sides.

To: koan who wrote (15220)	4/17/2012 2:06:11 PM
From: TimF	4 Recommendations Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 85487

Republican party when they try to turn back the clock on things like contraception. You do recognize the difference between Democratic Party talking points and reality right? Not forcing third parties to pay for contraception isn't turning back any clock. Its not a restriction on contraception in any way. No one is turning the clock back on contraception. The claim might be a useful fiction to try to trick the more ignorant moderates to oppose Republicans, but even in the unlikely event that it works, its still a lie. And I don't toss lie around easily, most false statements are mistakes not lies, and its very possible that from you its also a mistake, but its a lie from the people who created the talking point. They know that banning contraceptives isn't going to happen, and that the Republican party isn't trying to enact such a ban, they just figure they can benefit from dishonesty on the issue.

To: koan who wrote (15220)	4/17/2012 3:19:33 PM
From: Little Joe	5 Recommendations Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 85487

" But the Republcian's with their primitive ideology is fertile ground as is the Republican party when they try to turn back the clock on things like contraception." This proves the fallacy of what you are saying. As a liberal you believe women have the right to use contraception. As I conservative I agree, but they need to pay for their own contraception. As a liberal you believe that women have the right to have sex as often and with whom they want. As a conservative I agree, but they are responsible for what happens, including the children they bear. That is the difference you believe in freedom to act, but not in the requirement that they accept the consequences of their actions. And you think these jokesters are brilliant for furthering that view. lj