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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (87479)	4/21/2012 11:15:09 AM
From: T L Comiskey	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 89467

October 21, 2011 The Case Against Global-Warming Skepticism There were good reasons for doubt, until now. A Koch Funded Study..team leader ....Dr Richard Mueller Over the last two years, the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature Project has looked deeply at all the issues raised above. I chaired our group, which just submitted four detailed papers on our results to peer-reviewed journals. We have now posted these papers online at www.BerkeleyEarth.org to solicit even more scrutiny. Our work covers only land temperature—not the oceans—but that's where warming appears to be the greatest. Robert Rohde, our chief scientist, obtained more than 1.6 billion measurements from more than 39,000 temperature stations around the world. Many of the records were short in duration, and to use them Mr. Rohde and a team of esteemed scientists and statisticians developed a new analytical approach that let us incorporate fragments of records. By using data from virtually all the available stations, we avoided data-selection bias. Rather than try to correct for the discontinuities in the records, we simply sliced the records where the data cut off, thereby creating two records from one. We discovered that about one-third of the world's temperature stations have recorded cooling temperatures, and about two-thirds have recorded warming. The two-to-one ratio reflects global warming. The changes at the locations that showed warming were typically between 1-2ºC, much greater than the IPCC's average of 0.64ºC. online.wsj.com

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (87479)	4/22/2012 1:28:26 AM
From: koan	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 89467

That is such bullshit. 99% of PHD atmospheric scientists believe in AGW. That is hardly fear mongering without proof! And the very fact you think these PHD dudes would ignore the historical context of the paleo climate change shows the breath taking degree of your ignorance. Those scientists are operating light years ahead of that stuff. Those things are taught the first week of school and are truisms.There are natural variations but it is the time factor which is so worrisome. This climate warming is not just tied to CO2, it is the rapidity. AGW is happeneing 200,000 times faster than previous cycles. Like a jet plane compared to a snail. And how in the hell you can say there is no evidence when 99% of the top sientists say they know AGW is the cause and dangerous is mind staggering! <<My biggest beef with the MSM has been this indoctrination of our youth with the unproven concept of Global Warming. They teach it as if it's all the fault of mankind and ignore the historical context of paleo-climatic change. They pander to the "TEOTWAWKI" pseudo-scientific propagandists presenting their fear-mongering agenda to gain greater economic control over our society in the interest of "Saving the Planet".. The result is that our youth have lost the ability to critically analyze the data and question what is being presented to them.