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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (87629)	4/25/2012 8:51:08 AM
From: longnshort	1 Recommendation Respond to of 89467

"Because the way I see it, it's economic" right, they are just property and in the northern states that property was too expensive to maintain. With such a short growing period and cold winters. so to take away the 'advantage' of the southern states the north turn slavery into a moral issue and that's the only way Koan can now see it. he's such a first tier thinker

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (87629)	4/25/2012 12:55:44 PM
From: koan	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 89467

Slavery: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, ..." Hardly economic. <<The above is mutually exclusive to the concept of slavery! Pray tell then.. what is the "concept of slavery"? Because the way I see it, it's economic.. morally despicable economics, but adheres to the concept of supply and demand.. Hawk

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (87629)	4/25/2012 1:43:56 PM
From: Cautious_Optimist	1 Recommendation Read Replies (5) \| Respond to of 89467

It has been figured out by modern economists that "supply and demand" is a useful determinant of "price" but not "value." You can put a price on anything... slavery, virginity, even murder. Along with the market movements away from competition toward economy-killing oligopollies and (imperfect) monopolies, along with the ability to externalize capital and human costs through politics, lobbyists and even public propaganda, the western world has developed in response what has come to be known as mixed economies. It sucks sometimes, but it beats the alternatives. I am amazed how people educated before the 1990's see supply-and-demand as "laws" of physics like gravity or motion. And "markets" as guided by perfect natural laws. Taint Truth no mo'.